Ron Paul Forums is COINTEL

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There, I said it!

If you haven't figured it out by now, then you probably should stay there. I joined-up here because I was promised that I'd be hangin with the big-boys (and girls), people who either understand the truth or are on a serious path towards understanding it.

Good thing I saved many of my posts in their native format, as I'll take some of the better stuff and repost it. I've been looking for a better hangout, and given the people who contacted me about this place, hopefully I've found it.

LLS wrote:

I think Matt created the controversy because he's an attention whore. Notice how Oyate was continually asking for someone on the ground in TN to step up and organize a counter event. Matt was strangely silent on that one. He's an agent provacateur.

I haven't been following things over there very closely, but it seemed rather odd that if anyone had a problem with this particular event, simply don't attend it. And if there is demand for an event, create one.

The attacks were certainly a red flag.

And am I to understand that this particular event hasn't even started yet? Is that really the case?

I wonder if the guy who actually setup this event (the one being attacked) is actually a good guy. When I start to see someone under this kind of bombardment, I have to wonder about the attacked. Sometimes its just one agent versus another, and sometimes it is the establishment attempting to discredit an outsider who is actually attempting to make something happen. Here, I just haven't paid close enough attention to the issue to have an opinion. But it certainly looks suspicious.

IP wrote:

LLS wrote:

I think Matt created the controversy because he's an attention whore. Notice how Oyate was continually asking for someone on the ground in TN to step up and organize a counter event. Matt was strangely silent on that one. He's an agent provacateur.

I haven't been following things over there very closely, but it seemed rather odd that if anyone had a problem with this particular event, simply don't attend it. And if there is demand for an event, create one.

The attacks were certainly a red flag.

And am I to understand that this particular event hasn't even started yet? Is that really the case?

I wonder if the guy who actually setup this event (the one being attacked) is actually a good guy. When I start to see someone under this kind of bombardment, I have to wonder about the attacked. Sometimes its just one agent versus another, and sometimes it is the establishment attempting to discredit an outsider who is actually attempting to make something happen. Here, I just haven't paid close enough attention to the issue to have an opinion. But it certainly looks suspicious.

No, I'm pretty sure this is a bad guy.

Bad guy runs event, and others circle around creating noise and brushfires. Nothing gets done, everybody is exhausted, and perhaps a little bit poorer. Sounds about par for the course.

Ronne wrote:

ScoutsHonor wrote:

IP wrote:

What's Matt's agenda? Start reading from here...
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2504876&postcount=43

UPPING The Fundraising "TAKE" - more $$$$$

Betcha!!

So, you think that Matt created this controversy in order to get more dollars in to the machine? Hmmm. Very plausible.

I think it will prove out, just watch.

Bert.G wrote:

Bad guy runs event, and others circle around creating noise and brushfires. Nothing gets done, everybody is exhausted, and perhaps a little bit poorer. Sounds about par for the course.

Except there is, IMO, method to this madness; IOW, an agenda.

Does anyone know if RPF benefits in any way financially from these "Money Bombs"? Do they get a fund raising fee or commission?

That is what I have surmised though I have no evidence of it.

C1 wrote:

Does anyone know if RPF benefits in any way financially from these "Money Bombs"? Do they get a fund raising fee or commission?

There is much more traffic during these online fundraisers, and remember that they profit from google advertisements that appear at the bottom of every single page, on every single thread.

Given that these appear to be young kids running that site, I'd say stroking their ego and telling them they're an important part of the "liberty movement" is all that's needed to get them to go along.

If they were actually ever to ask any meaningful questions, then they'd quickly find themselves on the outside and shunned from any establishment players who are stroking those egos right now.

They're kids over there. They don't know wtf they're doing or the implications of the system they're pushing people into.

Clairvoyant wrote:

Well it also depends on how deep you think the rabbit hole goes, if Ron Paul himself is cointel, then so are his followers - however good their intentions may be. Personally I think politics is a dirty game regardless of what your intentions are. Left or right the end goal becomes a game of who can manipulate the masses, and that is exactly what RPF does - attempt to manipulate the posting habits of their member base for the desired goal of a pre-selected image of what Ron Paul supporters look like to the rest of the world.

^^ cointel technique: neutralise

ron paul is cointel. he appeals to people because of his anti war stance. he knows this. the masters who fund him know this. here is where he becomes useful. paul advocates a liberal economic system, one that is favoured by the oligarchs at wall street, the imf, world bank, cfr, and trilateral comision. paul advocates full privatisation of all industries. this is what soldiers from western countries have murdered millions of people over- deregulation. this is something very important to the oligarchs. paul also advocates gutting social security, welfare, medicare, and medicaid. this is precisely the same thing that mainstream republicans, and democrats have been working towards. under paul, all schools would be privatised. most people dont understand the ramifications of this

"paul advocates full privatisation"....

You hit the nail on the head here. This is precise where we are headed and is the next phase that we are entering now.... in other words, what we just witnessed in Greece is coming to the USA and all the politicians will be on board, no matter what vector audience they speak to. That's how the COINTEL leaders will reveal themselves, they'll all support the same end, one way or another.

SKATER wrote:

ron paul is cointel. he appeals to people because of his anti war stance. he knows this. the masters who fund him know this. here is where he becomes useful. paul advocates a liberal economic system, one that is favoured by the oligarchs at wall street, the imf, world bank, cfr, and trilateral comision. paul advocates full privatisation of all industries. this is what soldiers from western countries have murdered millions of people over- deregulation. this is something very important to the oligarchs. paul also advocates gutting social security, welfare, medicare, and medicaid. this is precisely the same thing that mainstream republicans, and democrats have been working towards. under paul, all schools would be privatised. most people dont understand the ramifications of this

Do I get a choice in the privatisation?

I dont like Paul or any of them, they all present good and bad ideas, but where they all are the same is that they are collectivists. You dont get a choice, i dont get a choice, its an all or nothing, with a childish thing called a vote that fails everytime because I didnt get a say in any of the ideas presented. How about they can carry out whatever society they want with whatever taxes and rules and regulations that they want without trying to include me in their plans. Let me purchase (God knows they didnt, monopoly money) my plot of land, make it sovereign and then see how many do the same, volunteerism instead of force. No rent, no taxes, no mandatory public schooling, etc.... I say split the country up in thrids, socialists can have their 1/3 paradise, fascists can have their 1/3, and the those that want to be left the hell alone from force have their 1/3.

Ron Paul, it amazes me that people still follow him. People looking to be lead, whether its Paul, Clinton, or Cain. I just don't understand how so many people complain about gov't but they keep coming back for more and more, vote for this one, no for that one. Government is not the solution it is the problem.

Ants on an ant hill battling for control.

Silent Wind wrote:

I dont like Paul or any of them, they all present good and bad ideas, but where they all are the same is that they are collectivists. You dont get a choice, i dont get a choice, its an all or nothing, with a childish thing called a vote that fails everytime because I didnt get a say in any of the ideas presented. How about they can carry out whatever society they want with whatever taxes and rules and regulations that they want without trying to include me in their plans..

Awe, I think it's called Liberty. Too bad the sheeple and the elite seem to find that to be a dirty concept.

Besides, Full Spectrum Dominance means no one escapes the boot on their throats. See the image behind the character in this episode of Harry Potter, it's the Muggles (public) being squashed.

Silent Wind wrote:

SKATER wrote:

ron paul is cointel. he appeals to people because of his anti war stance. he knows this. the masters who fund him know this. here is where he becomes useful. paul advocates a liberal economic system, one that is favoured by the oligarchs at wall street, the imf, world bank, cfr, and trilateral comision. paul advocates full privatisation of all industries. this is what soldiers from western countries have murdered millions of people over- deregulation. this is something very important to the oligarchs. paul also advocates gutting social security, welfare, medicare, and medicaid. this is precisely the same thing that mainstream republicans, and democrats have been working towards. under paul, all schools would be privatised. most people dont understand the ramifications of this

Do I get a choice in the privatisation?

I dont like Paul or any of them, they all present good and bad ideas, but where they all are the same is that they are collectivists. You dont get a choice, i dont get a choice, its an all or nothing, with a childish thing called a vote that fails everytime because I didnt get a say in any of the ideas presented. How about they can carry out whatever society they want with whatever taxes and rules and regulations that they want without trying to include me in their plans. Let me purchase (God knows they didnt, monopoly money) my plot of land, make it sovereign and then see how many do the same, volunteerism instead of force. No rent, no taxes, no mandatory public schooling, etc.... I say split the country up in thrids, socialists can have their 1/3 paradise, fascists can have their 1/3, and the those that want to be left the hell alone from force have their 1/3.

Ron Paul, it amazes me that people still follow him. People looking to be lead, whether its Paul, Clinton, or Cain. I just don't understand how so many people complain about gov't but they keep coming back for more and more, vote for this one, no for that one. Government is not the solution it is the problem.

Ants on an ant hill battling for control.

It's mostly the delusion that the system will still accept some input from them that they are unwilling to give up. Doing so seems horrible at first. Ron has to be "in on it" though, he's a free mason right? I don't think you can be in congress that long (or at all) without playing the game. At some point he had to have agreed to become a control vector.

I've personally met some free masons who seem like decent people, and they've told me they avoid moving further up the ranks because you're expected to do more and more immoral things as you go up.