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PostSubject: Dmitry Orlov as COINTEL - Soviet Propagandist Pushes Fear Across USA   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 12:18 pm

I recently received a link to Dmitry's new Blog: Club Orlov and the following video interview with this Soviet citizen in Russia Today. A quick look at this blog and the first story that pops-out at you is The Oceans are Coming, which is a fear piece about Global warming.



Upon revisiting Dmitry's material, I recalled a earlier discussion that I will reproduce here.
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PostSubject: Re: Dmitry Orlov as COINTEL - Soviet Propagandist Pushes Fear Across USA   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 12:28 pm

I was recently made aware of a lecture series by Dmitry Orlov that simply floored me.


Lecture: Social Collapse Best Practices
http://www.longnow.org/


Mr. Orlov has authored the book, Reinventing Collapse: The Soviet Example and American Prospects (2008). I located a copy of his lecture presentation, which is interesting while illogical:

http://madconomist.com/what-if-us-collapses-soviet-collapse-lessons-every-american-needs-to-know


I never thought I would live to see the day that a former Soviet citizen freely lectures to sold-out audiences regarding an eminent collapse of the USA. I can only imagine that it would be a communists greatest dream to witness our collapse. The deviousness of these actors, acting under the direction of their British elite string pullers, knows no bounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Dmitry Orlov as COINTEL - Soviet Propagandist Pushes Fear Across USA   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 12:29 pm

Just look at this guy's slides, here he tries to claim that the USA and USSR are/were very similar...



and here that our economy can simply crash in a cascading manner:



and now for his wopper conclusion....



and here is this Soviet/Russian citizen's advice to Americans...



The Cold War lives on, it's just that the Russians/Communists are now simply working on us from the inside, telling individual citizens to abandon their own country... and the worst part of it is that American are listening to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Dmitry Orlov as COINTEL - Soviet Propagandist Pushes Fear Across USA   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 12:34 pm

Don't buy-in to his meme of scarcity, American guilt and absolute destiny? Shameful and disgusting, that's all one can call it! What an embarrassment. This Russian simply does not put forth a logical argument to support his contentions, it's all Hegelian irrationality.

There are many inaccuracies in the symmetries that Orlov cites between the Soviet Communist system and the US Republican system, a few I will call out here....


  1. USD is world's reserve currency and is directly linked to Oil, which means the USA has an infinite demand for its currency
  2. the American people are sovereign, in other words, they are Free and do not have to rely upon a central politburo for economic planning in order to generate wealth.
  3. USA & Soviets were never evenly matched, that was propaganda to perpetrate the Cold War
  4. The USA is the largest economy in the world, being 3-times the size of our nearest competitor: Japan ($4.4T), with China being less than just three US states combined – Texas, New York, & California ($4.05 Trillion)


For those that wish to gain a better understanding of the forces in the world today, may I suggest the following 2-works:

  • Trapped, by Sir James Goldsmith, which details how the GATT Treaty was passed in order to send US Industry to Asia.
  • Congress's Reece Committee report, specifically the statements made by Norman Dodd, who exposed the long term plan to merge the US system with the Soviet system.


Those here who acquiesce to these utterly baseless claims are unwittingly
traveling toward the irrational logic structure of Hegel, as articulated below...

Quote :


"If it is remarkable when a nation has become indifferent to its constitutional theory, to its national sentiments, its ethical customs and virtues, it is certainly no less remarkable when a nation loses its metaphysics, when the spirit which contemplates its own pure essence is no longer a present reality in the life of the nation."

"Once the spirit has reconstituted itself, all attempts to preserve an earlier culture are utterly in vain."


- Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

Our ancestors died at the end of a gun and bayonet for this freedom that we've enjoyed,
so don't let a communist tell you that it is all going into a sinkhole with nothing other than childish acceptance? Ugh!
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PostSubject: Re: Dmitry Orlov as COINTEL - Soviet Propagandist Pushes Fear Across USA   Sat 24 Oct 2009, 12:41 pm

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The whole US vs Russia, democracy vs communism cold war was an invention of our governments to accelerate building up their states and militaries. We won, they went bankrupt first. However our turn is coming, barring the return of the free market in america.

Building up government expenditures in Intelligence, Science and Military were part of the dialectic. Another part, which is missed by virtually all, was clearly uncovered by Norman Dodd while heading the Congressional Reece Committee investigation in 1954:

"Mr. Dodd, we have asked you to come up here today because we thought that,
possibly, off the record, you would tell us why the Congress is interested in the
activities of foundations such as ourselves.

Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here, have had experience
either with the OSS during the war, or with European economic administration after the war.
We have had experience operating under directives. The directives emanate, and did emanate, from the White House. Now, we still operate under just such directives. Would you like to know what the substance of these directives is?

Mr. Dodd, all of us who have a hand in the making of policies here, have had
experience operating under directives, the substance of which is, that we use our
grant-making power so as to alter life in the United States that it can be
comfortably merged with the Soviet Union
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- Alan Gaither, President of the Ford Foundation
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