"Progress"

"I think progress is the biggest enemy on earth, apart from oneself… I think we're gonna take good care of this planet shortly...there's never been a weapon created yet on the face of the Earth that hadn't been used. We're run by the Pentagon, we're run by Madison Avenue, we're run by television, and as long as we accept those things and don't revolt we'll have to go along with the stream to the eventual avalanche. As long as we go out and buy stuff, we're at their mercy. We're at the mercy of the advertiser and of course there are certain things that we need, but a lot of the stuff that is bought is not needed...

We all live in a little Village. Your village may be different from other people's villages but we are all prisoners."


—Patrick McGoohan, 1977

This is what it boils down to isn't it?

So who are they, those that pay to create these ad campaigns and who directs them? Who is behind Tavistock, etc? Is it the banking elite?

What is their connection to the 'mystery religions' or is there?

A lot of food for thought here.

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ramallamamama wrote:

This is what it boils down to isn't it?

So who are they, those that pay to create these ad campaigns and who directs them? Who is behind Tavistock, etc? Is it the banking elite?

What is their connection to the 'mystery religions' or is there?

We're all part of it - this system of control. Many that are inside those institutions are deceived just as audaciously as the public who they target.

For example, did you ever see the video of Walter Cronkite's acceptance speech when he received the World Federalist Association Global Governance ("govern-ants") award? I think Walter really bought into the promise of peace through a one world governmental system.

Also, that recent Brzenzski speech at Chattham House, where Zbigniew tells the European technocracy that they better be scared of the "global political awakening" and that it is "easier to kill a million" than manage them, that entire dog n pony show was nothing other than to scare european elites into action through fear of the public.

Everybody gets their own unique brand of deception.

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For example, did you ever see the video of
Walter Cronkite's acceptance speech when he received the World
Federalist Association Global Governance ("govern-ants") award? I think
Walter really bought into the promise of peace through a one world
governmental system.

Hi Bert-

I accept the idea that some of these people might have been fooled; I believe the Globalists have been hiding deep in the shadows with this Agenda of theirs, and most people are very busy living their everyday lives. Especially in America, life has seemed normal and peaceful...up until fairly recently.

But on second thought, I think the "Global Peace" crowd emits strong warning signals for those who are willing to stop and listen for a moment. I mean, even Walter Cronkite must have realized that a part of the "global peace movement" was a global _eugenics_ movement, and shouldn't that have given him pause? And shouldn't he have noticed the utter authoritarianism of these fanatics, a world-view or attitude totally at odds with AMERICAN values towards others, of the laissez-faire, can-do, independent-spirit sort?

Perhaps, not so innocent after all, methinks...
Perhaps what guys like Zbig offer is more a rationalization, a comforting salve for their conscience to smooth them along in their tyrannical paths. A la: "I must pursue this (cruel) course of action in order to PROTECT myself, after all." (I wonder if I'm making this at all clear?)

Bottom line I think is: if anyone is really fooled as to what the real intentions of this group of madmen is, he/she wouldn't stay fooled for long, after more than a brief contact, if he/she is genuinely honest.

Any thoughts/disagreements: very welcome.

i think most people are glad to have the comfort of cultural memes and shields. in other words, i think most people just want something comfortable to believe in. some have greater access to information, truth, inside angles, etc, but doesn't that just make the meme with which they identify that much more eccentric? i really believe that most people, even many at the higher (not highest) levels of money and power, ultimately do believe their emic rhetoric.

the question becomes, is there a solid layer of people and interests who are above those layers who know they're the wizard behind the curtain and live in utter comfort at their ultimate duplicity, immune from moral self-disapprobation by the veneer of their psychosis?

Hi SatyaPranava,

First, welcome to the Forum!

As to your question, for me the answer would be a resounding "Yes". We all know their "name": the NWO, the elite, the Globalists...did I leave out any? They are thoroughly ruthless and immoral, and are hell-bent on destroying our civilization. So yes, I'm quite sure they exist. The question is, can we find a way to rid ourselves of them before they are able to achieve their goals..

thx for the hearty welcome (where's my laurel?? [blazing saddles...sorry].

so the NWO/illuminati/bilderbergs/COR/TLC, etc is an easy answer to choose. But are we sure that ultimately they are aware that they do these things out of pure control and evil?

or is there some possibility that they believe in what they do as being very necessary? i mean is it possible in their power games with each other that they've just become so detached from the real world in which most people live?

also, i read in numerous places from people who have pretty good credentials that there are numerous factions at the highest orders of power throughout the world and that these factions are not all down w/the NWO agenda, and are even actively working against it now.

since proving much at that scale of power is difficult, save what they write in their own words (which for the first group mentioned above is quite disconcerting), is there any significant evidence for or against the faction theory of global geopolitical/economic power? if so, do you (or others) believe it's enough to counteract the NWO group?

ramallamamama wrote:

This is what it boils down to isn't it?

So who are they, those that pay to create these ad campaigns and who directs them? Who is behind Tavistock, etc? Is it the banking elite?

What is their connection to the 'mystery religions' or is there?

I was listening to Alan Watt the other night and he explained what the "mystery religion" was: it was the instruction the Elite families down through history, from Egypt to the present, gave to their children regarding (ta-dum): How to Manipulate the Peasants (or masses) So-as to Retain Ultimate Control Over Them. IOW, Tavistock type instruction to the children, so they could successfully continue to be Queen Bees (so to speak) when Mommy and Daddy were gone.. IOW, How to Retain Rule over Society by using devious and hidden mind-control techniques.
(Kind of a "Rich Dad Poor Dad" inheritance gift, since ancient times.)

Can you imagine that, Ramallama??! Watt said these secrets have been jealously guarded and passed down among the ultra-wealthy families for all of those thousands of years. Wow.
Pretty damn scary!

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So the NWO/illuminati/bilderbergs/COR/TLC, etc is an easy answer to choose. But are we sure that ultimately they are aware that they do these things out of pure control and evil?

or is there some possibility that they believe in what they do as being very necessary? i mean is it possible in their power games with each other that they've just become so detached from the real world in which most people live?

Sure, I think they ARE detached but still evil & without any moral sense whatever. I think they are literally 'mad with power.'

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also, i read in numerous places from people who have pretty good credentials that there are numerous factions at the highest orders of power throughout the world and that these factions are not all down w/the NWO agenda, and are even actively working against it now.

since proving much at that scale of power is difficult, save what they write in their own words (which for the first group mentioned above is quite disconcerting), is there any significant evidence for or against the faction theory of global geopolitical/economic power? if so, do you (or others) believe it's enough to counteract the NWO group?

I have no way of knowing, but from what I observe they seem to be moving very steadily towards total control, so I wouldn't be inclined to put much stock into the possibility you mention (much as I'd like to.)