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PostSubject: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyThu 03 Dec 2009, 5:18 pm

ClimateGate is an OP that has been manufactured in order to disguise the fact that the decisions (ie 'treaties') to implement the carbon offset economy and the infrastructure to do so are all already in place and moving forward.

The following video explains this concept further, using the example of Watergate as a cover for the appearance of law, order and government. Please listen to this video, particularly the part where he discusses Watergate and its significance inside the Simulacrum.

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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyFri 04 Dec 2009, 4:18 pm

So, here we have a similar phenomenom, where the press "grills" the Whitehouse Press Secretary over an issue around that couple "crashing" some recent State Dinner. The press and the press secretary are trying to pretend that there is an independent media and that they ask the gov't "tough" questions. Of course, the entire episode is just to cover that the media is owned by the same interests that own the gov't.

Story at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl1014

Video from story:

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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyFri 04 Dec 2009, 4:35 pm

Yep. Just a bunch of jerks thinking they're fooling everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyFri 04 Dec 2009, 8:50 pm

ScoutsHonor wrote:
Yep. Just a bunch of jerks thinking they're fooling everyone.
To summarize, based upon my research, and my own analysis, it is my assessment that the purpose of ClimateGate is as follows:

  • To cover up the fact that the Green Economy (ie "economy based upon CO2 offsets/taxation") is already in place, with the infrastructure established, with industry already online with new products and marketing campaigns, and with the relevant treaties/agreements already signed.
  • To create a meaningless dialectic that the LEFT and RIGHT can fight over, specifically, the validity of the "science," the content of the emails that were "hacked," and the attempt to manipulate "truth" and "scientific fact."
  • To cover up the fact that virtually all "science" is now controlled, and therefore that there is no independent research or science anymore.
  • To manufacture the appearance that the public is somehow part of the decision process with respect to Global Warming and the Green Economy, and that this process is still ongoing and the end goals undetermined.
  • To create the illusion that crises and scandal are still "investigated," therefore leading the public to believe that law, order and some form of morality still exist in this Geo-Capitalist system.
  • To crush the Global Warming dissenters psychologically when Obama, the Underwear Model, travel to Copenhagen to sign-off on the fictitious treaties anyway, ignoring and disregarding the concerns of those that represent the Global Warming anti-thesis.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyFri 04 Dec 2009, 10:57 pm

Wow, IP, that covers a LOT of territory and many critical issues.

Is this one Simulacrum, or several rolled together, or...?
I'm still trying to get a clear definition of just what a Simulacrum is. Although perhaps I don't need to, as I understand everything you're saying here so far..

Re Item 6, I was myself very aware of THAT part of the game; it clearly will crush the spirit of all of those who are aware of the fraudulence of the raison d'etre for the "carbon taxes", which would be predominantly the Patriot movement. They are simply spitting in their (our) faces, again--laughing at our impotence. (It becomes obvious they deliberately allowed the leaked email messages to 'leak'---)

They are great game-players, are they not?
But luckily I know their game now and no longer become infuriated. THAT, at least, is something, I reckon.

Beautiful job of explaining. Thank you for posting.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 2:26 am

ScoutsHonor wrote:
Is this one Simulacrum, or several rolled together, or...?
I'm still trying to get a clear definition of just what a Simulacrum is.
I see the Simulacrum as a loosely woven fabric, a tarp, that overlays everything. So, this is just another part of the larger tarp that covers the real with their manufactured real, or hyperreal.

The publics concept of real is that the media is the 4th estate, asking questions of the government to protect the interests of all of us. But they've turned it into hyperrealy, through a hostile takeover of both the media and the government. So now, we have the same people who control both, but they continue the show as if nothing has changed. That's the Simulacrum, from my perspective, it is the show that the real tensions between media and gov't still exist, but in fact, it's bogus.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 2:43 am

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Back when I thought I was woken from my sleep I used to get pissed at virtually every story out there which was anti patriot or NWOish. Just like you I now just shrug it off and say the show must go on by the greatest actors on earth. Hollywood has nothing on the political actors across the world. People actually know that Hollywood is fake but somehow cant come to the conclusion that most everything they watch, read, and hear from all MSM is fake, they actually believe that it is real. They have bought into the Simulacrum/Matrix soo much that they are totally lost, even most of the patriots, without realizing that they are being acted to as well.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 3:10 am

The Dutch kid in the OP video really says it well, when he talks about Disneyland being more real than other things, becuase Disneyland, he says, isn't trying to be something else and everyone knows that it is fake. So using that logic, Hollywood is more real than the nightly news, or Obama, or Congress, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 2:22 pm

stilltrying wrote:
SH
Back when I thought I was woken from my sleep I used to get pissed at virtually every story out there which was anti patriot or NWOish. Just like you I now just shrug it off and say the show must go on by the greatest actors on earth. Hollywood has nothing on the political actors across the world. People actually know that Hollywood is fake but somehow cant come to the conclusion that most everything they watch, read, and hear from all MSM is fake, they actually believe that it is real. They have bought into the Simulacrum/Matrix soo much that they are totally lost, even most of the patriots, without realizing that they are being acted to as well.

Very interesting letter.

Oops, just ran out of time. BBL, talk to you then.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 8:07 pm

stilltrying wrote:
SH
Back when I thought I was woken from my sleep I used to get pissed at virtually every story out there which was anti patriot or NWOish. Just like you I now just shrug it off and say the show must go on by the greatest actors on earth. Hollywood has nothing on the political actors across the world. People actually know that Hollywood is fake but somehow cant come to the conclusion that most everything they watch, read, and hear from all MSM is fake, they actually believe that it is real. They have bought into the Simulacrum/Matrix soo much that they are totally lost, even most of the patriots, without realizing that they are being acted to as well.
This is just the way I see it. I couldn't agree more that they, the media, the Congress, all the
bureaucrats, (and probably even their servants!) are "the greatest actors on earth" all in the business of *putting reality over on us.* How these smarmy creatures can live with themselves is another question, of course. ClimateGate & Its Purpose 361 But at least, they can no longer upset me (through my being shocked or surprised.) That's why understanding them is a worthwhile endeavor, in my thinking.

And yes, I agree, The Matrix has actually become reality for many, many people; a scary and horrible fate (which, I guess, they will never see). It's an incredible tragedy.

It amazes me --In my wildest fantasies I could never have imagined the world as it is today. I only wish we (and all the good people everywhere) could escape from this fantastic nightmare...but so far, I don't see the way. However, on the plus side, Smile I'm glad that we've met and very glad, also, that WWWS exists.

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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 8:48 pm

Wow just found this thread, great stuff from all.

Several months ago I was depressed, pissed off and disillusioned. I had to STOP LISTENING TO ALEX JONES, read, think and re read IP's posts at RPFs.

I spend much more time 'in the moment' with close friends, helping others and trying to be a 'good' vector of info that relates to the theme of this board. I post stuff on facebook relating to the fraying edges of the simulacrum. I point out those black cats (from The Matrix). I estimate that maybe 2 or 3 of my friends (out of 60 or so) even give a shit what I post, if I can open one mind my job is done.

By the way, I'm pretty happy today.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 05 Dec 2009, 11:59 pm

ScoutsHonor wrote:
I only wish we (and all the good people everywhere) could escape from this fantastic nightmare...but so far, I don't see the way.
Ellul shows us the way, it's about living in the Kingdom, baby... living in the Kingdom.

ramallamamama wrote:
Several months ago I was depressed, pissed off and disillusioned. I had to STOP LISTENING TO ALEX JONES, read, think and re read IP's posts at RPFs.

I spend much more time 'in the moment' with close friends, helping others and trying to be a 'good' vector of info that relates to the theme of this board. I post stuff on facebook relating to the fraying edges of the simulacrum. I point out those black cats (from The Matrix). I estimate that maybe 2 or 3 of my friends (out of 60 or so) even give a shit what I post, if I can open one mind my job is done.

By the way, I'm pretty happy today.
The COINTEL Internet crowd is psychologically vicious. It's really horrible how many they are able corner. They are going to drive many into depression, insanity and worse.... but that has been scientifically designed to do just that.

I think we're all doing what we can do. I think shutting off their inputs is a huge part to survival, because I think 99% of their effectiveness is psychological. I think we'll all be okay, because we can see what is going on. It is those who believe the false-images, it is those who will suffer most, because the violence that will be perpetrated on our "important" images is going to be ferocious. I'll start a separate thread on the latest Batman movie, as I think the Joker clearly tells us where they are headed and their thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySun 06 Dec 2009, 10:37 am

Ronne wrote:
ScoutsHonor wrote:
Is this one Simulacrum, or several rolled together, or...?
I'm still trying to get a clear definition of just what a Simulacrum is.
I see the Simulacrum as a loosely woven fabric, a tarp, that overlays everything. So, this is just another part of the larger tarp that covers the real with their manufactured real, or hyperreal.

The publics concept of real is that the media is the 4th estate, asking questions of the government to protect the interests of all of us. But they've turned it into hyperrealy, through a hostile takeover of both the media and the government. So now, we have the same people who control both, but they continue the show as if nothing has changed. That's the Simulacrum, from my perspective, it is the show that the real tensions between media and gov't still exist, but in fact, it's bogus.

Thank you for this excellent definition. I've posted it to our Definition library here on the forum.
Thanks again!
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyThu 10 Dec 2009, 3:11 pm

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The Smoking Gun At Darwin Zero
8 12 2009

by Willis Eschenbach

People keep saying “Yes, the Climategate scientists behaved badly. But that doesn’t mean the data is bad. That doesn’t mean the earth is not warming.”

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Darwin Airport - by Dominic Perrin via Panoramio

Let me start with the second objection first. The earth has generally been warming since the Little Ice Age, around 1650. There is general agreement that the earth has warmed since then. See e.g. Akasofu . Climategate doesn’t affect that.

The second question, the integrity of the data, is different. People say “Yes, they destroyed emails, and hid from Freedom of information Acts, and messed with proxies, and fought to keep other scientists’ papers out of the journals … but that doesn’t affect the data, the data is still good.” Which sounds reasonable.

There are three main global temperature datasets. One is at the CRU, Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, where we’ve been trying to get access to the raw numbers. One is at NOAA/GHCN, the Global Historical Climate Network. The final one is at NASA/GISS, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies. The three groups take raw data, and they “homogenize” it to remove things like when a station was moved to a warmer location and there’s a 2C jump in the temperature. The three global temperature records are usually called CRU, GISS, and GHCN. Both GISS and CRU, however, get almost all of their raw data from GHCN. All three produce very similar global historical temperature records from the raw data.

So I’m still on my multi-year quest to understand the climate data. You never know where this data chase will lead. This time, it has ended me up in Australia. I got to thinking about Professor Wibjorn Karlen’s statement about Australia that I quoted here:

Quote :
Another example is Australia. NASA [GHCN] only presents 3 stations covering the period 1897-1992. What kind of data is the IPCC Australia diagram based on?

If any trend it is a slight cooling. However, if a shorter period (1949-2005) is used, the temperature has increased substantially. The Australians have many stations and have published more detailed maps of changes and trends.

The folks at CRU told Wibjorn that he was just plain wrong. Here’s what they said is right, the record that Wibjorn was talking about, Fig. 9.12 in the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, showing Northern Australia:

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Figure 1. Temperature trends and model results in Northern Australia. Black line is observations (From Fig. 9.12 from the UN IPCC Fourth Annual Report). Covers the area from 110E to 155E, and from 30S to 11S. Based on the CRU land temperature.) Data from the CRU.

One of the things that was revealed in the released CRU emails is that the CRU basically uses the Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) dataset for its raw data. So I looked at the GHCN dataset. There, I find three stations in North Australia as Wibjorn had said, and nine stations in all of Australia, that cover the period 1900-2000. Here is the average of the GHCN unadjusted data for those three Northern stations, from AIS:

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Figure 2. GHCN Raw Data, All 100-yr stations in IPCC area above.

So once again Wibjorn is correct, this looks nothing like the corresponding IPCC temperature record for Australia. But it’s too soon to tell. Professor Karlen is only showing 3 stations. Three is not a lot of stations, but that’s all of the century-long Australian records we have in the IPCC specified region. OK, we’ve seen the longest stations record, so lets throw more records into the mix. Here’s every station in the UN IPCC specified region which contains temperature records that extend up to the year 2000 no matter when they started, which is 30 stations.

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Figure 3. GHCN Raw Data, All stations extending to 2000 in IPCC area above.

Still no similarity with IPCC. So I looked at every station in the area. That’s 222 stations. Here’s that result:

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Figure 4. GHCN Raw Data, All stations extending to 2000 in IPCC area above.

So you can see why Wibjorn was concerned. This looks nothing like the UN IPCC data, which came from the CRU, which was based on the GHCN data. Why the difference?

The answer is, these graphs all use the raw GHCN data. But the IPCC uses the “adjusted” data. GHCN adjusts the data to remove what it calls “inhomogeneities”. So on a whim I thought I’d take a look at the first station on the list, Darwin Airport, so I could see what an inhomogeneity might look like when it was at home. And I could find out how large the GHCN adjustment for Darwin inhomogeneities was.

First, what is an “inhomogeneity”? I can do no better than quote from GHCN:

Quote :
Most long-term climate stations have undergone changes that make a time series of their observations inhomogeneous. There are many causes for the discontinuities, including changes in instruments, shelters, the environment around the shelter, the location of the station, the time of observation, and the method used to calculate mean temperature. Often several of these occur at the same time, as is often the case with the introduction of automatic weather stations that is occurring in many parts of the world. Before one can reliably use such climate data for analysis of longterm climate change, adjustments are needed to compensate for the nonclimatic discontinuities.

That makes sense. The raw data will have jumps from station moves and the like. We don’t want to think it’s warming just because the thermometer was moved to a warmer location. Unpleasant as it may seem, we have to adjust for those as best we can.

I always like to start with the rawest data, so I can understand the adjustments. At Darwin there are five separate individual station records that are combined to make up the final Darwin record. These are the individual records of stations in the area, which are numbered from zero to four:

DATA SOURCE: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/findstation.py?datatype=gistemp&data_set=0&name=darwin
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Figure 5. Five individual temperature records for Darwin, plus station count (green line). This raw data is downloaded from GISS, but GISS use the GHCN raw data as the starting point for their analysis.

Darwin does have a few advantages over other stations with multiple records. There is a continuous record from 1941 to the present (Station 1). There is also a continuous record covering a century. finally, the stations are in very close agreement over the entire period of the record. In fact, where there are multiple stations in operation they are so close that you can’t see the records behind Station Zero.

This is an ideal station, because it also illustrates many of the problems with the raw temperature station data.

* There is no one record that covers the whole period.

* The shortest record is only nine years long.

* There are gaps of a month and more in almost all of the records.

* It looks like there are problems with the data at around 1941.

* Most of the datasets are missing months.

* For most of the period there are few nearby stations.

* There is no one year covered by all five records.

* The temperature dropped over a six year period, from a high in 1936 to a low in 1941. The station did move in 1941 … but what happened in the previous six years?

In resolving station records, it’s a judgment call. First off, you have to decide if what you are looking at needs any changes at all. In Darwin’s case, it’s a close call. The record seems to be screwed up around 1941, but not in the year of the move.

Also, although the 1941 temperature shift seems large, I see a similar sized shift from 1992 to 1999. Looking at the whole picture, I think I’d vote to leave it as it is, that’s always the best option when you don’t have other evidence. First do no harm.

However, there’s a case to be made for adjusting it, particularly given the 1941 station move. If I decided to adjust Darwin, I’d do it like this:

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Figure 6 A possible adjustment for Darwin. Black line shows the total amount of the adjustment, on the right scale, and shows the timing of the change.

I shifted the pre-1941 data down by about 0.6C. We end up with little change end to end in my “adjusted” data (shown in red), it’s neither warming nor cooling. However, it reduces the apparent cooling in the raw data. Post-1941, where the other records overlap, they are very close, so I wouldn’t adjust them in any way. Why should we adjust those, they all show exactly the same thing.

OK, so that’s how I’d homogenize the data if I had to, but I vote against adjusting it at all. It only changes one station record (Darwin Zero), and the rest are left untouched.

Then I went to look at what happens when the GHCN removes the “in-homogeneities” to “adjust” the data. Of the five raw datasets, the GHCN discards two, likely because they are short and duplicate existing longer records. The three remaining records are first “homogenized” and then averaged to give the “GHCN Adjusted” temperature record for Darwin.

To my great surprise, here’s what I found. To explain the full effect, I am showing this with both datasets starting at the same point (rather than ending at the same point as they are often shown).

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Figure 7. GHCN homogeneity adjustments to Darwin Airport combined record

YIKES! Before getting homogenized, temperatures in Darwin were falling at 0.7 Celcius per century … but after the homogenization, they were warming at 1.2 Celcius per century. And the adjustment that they made was over two degrees per century … when those guys “adjust”, they don’t mess around. And the adjustment is an odd shape, with the adjustment first going stepwise, then climbing roughly to stop at 2.4C.

Of course, that led me to look at exactly how the GHCN “adjusts” the temperature data. Here’s what they say in An Overview of the GHCN Database:

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GHCN temperature data include two different datasets: the original data and a homogeneity- adjusted dataset. All homogeneity testing was done on annual time series. The homogeneity- adjustment technique used two steps.

The first step was creating a homogeneous reference series for each station (Peterson and Easterling 1994). Building a completely homogeneous reference series using data with unknown inhomogeneities may be impossible, but we used several techniques to minimize any potential inhomogeneities in the reference series.



In creating each year’s first difference reference series, we used the five most highly correlated neighboring stations that had enough data to accurately model the candidate station.



The final technique we used to minimize inhomogeneities in the reference series used the mean of the central three values (of the five neighboring station values) to create the first difference reference series.

Fair enough, that all sounds good. They pick five neighboring stations, and average them. Then they compare the average to the station in question. If it looks wonky compared to the average of the reference five, they check any historical records for changes, and if necessary, they homogenize the poor data mercilessly. I have some problems with what they do to homogenize it, but that’s how they identify the inhomogeneous stations.

OK … but given the scarcity of stations in Australia, I wondered how they would find five “neighboring stations” in 1941 …

So I looked it up. The nearest station that covers the year 1941 is 500 km away from Darwin. Not only is it 500 km away, it is the only station within 750 km of Darwin that covers the 1941 time period. (It’s also a pub, Daly Waters Pub to be exact, but hey, it’s Australia, good on ya.) So there simply aren’t five stations to make a “reference series” out of to check the 1936-1941 drop at Darwin.

Intrigued by the curious shape of the average of the homogenized Darwin records, I then went to see how they had homogenized each of the individual station records. What made up that strange average shown in Fig. 7? I started at zero with the earliest record. Here is Station Zero at Darwin, showing the raw and the homogenized versions.

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Figure 8 Darwin Zero Homogeneity Adjustments. Black line shows amount and timing of adjustments.

Yikes again, double yikes! What on earth justifies that adjustment? How can they do that? We have five different records covering Darwin from 1941 on. They all agree almost exactly. Why adjust them at all? They’ve just added a huge artificial totally imaginary trend to the last half of the raw data! Now it looks like the IPCC diagram in Figure 1, all right … but a six degree per century trend? And in the shape of a regular stepped pyramid climbing to heaven? What’s up with that?

Those, dear friends, are the clumsy fingerprints of someone messing with the data Egyptian style … they are indisputable evidence that the “homogenized” data has been changed to fit someone’s preconceptions about whether the earth is warming.

One thing is clear from this. People who say that “Climategate was only about scientists behaving badly, but the data is OK” are wrong. At least one part of the data is bad, too. The Smoking Gun for that statement is at Darwin Zero.

So once again, I’m left with an unsolved mystery. How and why did the GHCN “adjust” Darwin’s historical temperature to show radical warming? Why did they adjust it stepwise? Do Phil Jones and the CRU folks use the “adjusted” or the raw GHCN dataset? My guess is the adjusted one since it shows warming, but of course we still don’t know … because despite all of this, the CRU still hasn’t released the list of data that they actually use, just the station list.

Another odd fact, the GHCN adjusted Station 1 to match Darwin Zero’s strange adjustment, but they left Station 2 (which covers much of the same period, and as per Fig. 5 is in excellent agreement with Station Zero and Station 1) totally untouched. They only homogenized two of the three. Then they averaged them.

That way, you get an average that looks kinda real, I guess, it “hides the decline”.

Oh, and for what it’s worth, care to know the way that GISS deals with this problem? Well, they only use the Darwin data after 1963, a fine way of neatly avoiding the question … and also a fine way to throw away all of the inconveniently colder data prior to 1941. It’s likely a better choice than the GHCN monstrosity, but it’s a hard one to justify.

Now, I want to be clear here. The blatantly bogus GHCN adjustment for this one station does NOT mean that the earth is not warming. It also does NOT mean that the three records (CRU, GISS, and GHCN) are generally wrong either. This may be an isolated incident, we don’t know. But every time the data gets revised and homogenized, the trends keep increasing. Now GISS does their own adjustments. However, as they keep telling us, they get the same answer as GHCN gets … which makes their numbers suspicious as well.

And CRU? Who knows what they use? We’re still waiting on that one, no data yet …

What this does show is that there is at least one temperature station where the trend has been artificially increased to give a false warming where the raw data shows cooling. In addition, the average raw data for Northern Australia is quite different from the adjusted, so there must be a number of … mmm … let me say “interesting” adjustments in Northern Australia other than just Darwin.

And with the Latin saying “Falsus in unum, falsus in omis” (false in one, false in all) as our guide, until all of the station “adjustments” are examined, adjustments of CRU, GHCN, and GISS alike, we can’t trust anyone using homogenized numbers.

Regards to all, keep fighting the good fight,

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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyThu 10 Dec 2009, 8:26 pm

GREAT info, Ramallama. Thanks!!
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptyFri 11 Dec 2009, 12:03 pm

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Figure 7. GHCN homogeneity adjustments to Darwin Airport combined record

YIKES! Before getting homogenized, temperatures in Darwin were falling at 0.7 Celcius per century … but after the homogenization, they were warming at 1.2 Celcius per century.
What an awesome graphic. This says it all, doesn't it. Just 'massaging' the data a little changes everything. I guess the Raw Data didn't fit their hypothesis, so instead of changing the hypothesis they change the data.
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PostSubject: Re: ClimateGate & Its Purpose   ClimateGate & Its Purpose EmptySat 12 Dec 2009, 2:09 pm

The Watts Up With That? blog is a great resource on climate change hyperbole. Thanks for including this article ramallamamama.
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