Subject: Apocalypse Now (Workprint) Sun 22 Apr 2012, 3:58 pm
Only recently did I learn that there is a 5+ Hour version of the movie, Apocalype Now, with many more scenes that help one understand the bigger picture that Coppola was attempting to paint.
For example, I didn't know that the US created the Viet Minh. But of course, that makes total sense and it was referenced in the version of the film that played at the Cannes Film Festival. However, this entire part of the movie was censored BEFORE the film was publicly released. Here's the scene... Martin Sheen has discovered a Rubber Plantation still occupied by its French founders, who do not wish to leave Vietnam, ever. Sheen is having dinner with the French family and enters into a discussion about the war and its beginnings...
The most important takeway I had from this dialog was that the US created the Viet Minh to get rid of French Colonialists. However, I think this was only partly true..... for the US needed a fake enemy to create an excuse to enter Vietnam militarily. IMO, The war was created to pressure Chinese into negotiations with Kissinger.....that's the only interest the US actually had in Viet Nam....bringing China back into the international club. Once Kissinger got what the elites wants, the US military turned it's back. So, makes sense to me that this scene had to be censored.
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Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint) Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:01 pm
And here's an interesting scene that was also deleted.
Sheen finds the Playboy Bunnies helicopter has run out of fuel upriver, so he negotiates 2-hours for his men to spend with the Bunnies in exchange for 2 barrels of fuel.
The Bunnies are shown to be totally ignorant, talking mindlessly about their birds or about their unrecognized talents while the GI's start to undress and fondle them. A sad commentary, really.
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Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint) Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm
Here's an excerpt from the Screenplay with the dialog from the French dinner scene.... great material here.
The VIEW MOVES ALONG THE TABLE AND REVEALS that on a higher level there is a more elaborate table set, where the DeMarais family is dining with Willard.
Willard is sitting next to DeMarais, who is at the head of the table. Christian, ANNE-MARIE, and old blind UNCLE, Claudine, the TUTOR, and Philippe are all seated, listening to one of the grandchildren, who is reciting a poem. The other grandchildren stand nearby listening.
The child stumbles through the poem.
DEMARAIS (in French) You still need to study with Mr. Robert. Let's go. Not too bad. Go to bed everyone now.
The children kiss their parents good night, and run out of the room. DeMarais turns to Willard.
DEMARAIS This is Baudelaire. It is a very cruel poem for children, but they need it, because life sometime is very cruel.
He reaches behind him and picks up a plaque, hands it to Willard.
DEMARAIS As you can see. Attack repels by the family.
PHILIPPE Just for this war
DEMARAIS (pointing to the plaque) Vietcong, fifty-eight. North Vietnamese, twelve. South Vietnamese, eleven.
WILLARD Americans, six?
DEMARAIS Yes, well, there were perhaps mistakes.
Willard hands the plaque back to Demarais, who hands if off to Philippe.
ANOTHER ANGLE TO INCLUDE ROXANNE
The young woman we saw earlier, ROXANNE, has come down the stairs and moves into the dining Room. DeMarais looks up and sees her.
DEMARAIS (in French) Roxanne, you were curious to see these Americans, weren't you?
ROXANNE (in French) No, I was only hungry.
She stops in front of an empty chair next to Philippe. Willard rises to greet her.
DEMARAIS May I present Captain Willard, he is of a Paratroop regiment. Madame Sarrault.
She smiles and indicates for Willard to sit down.
ROXANNE Captain.
She sits down. There is an uneasy silence. She laughs slightly.
ROXANNE (in French) "An angel passes..."
DeMarais reacts.
DEMARAIS (in French) "...Let's butcher it!" Do you remember this story in Paris, when the baron said, "Let's cut the angel?"
ROXANNE (in French) I don't think that is the subject tonight.
DEMARAIS I'm sorry, Captain. It was just a little story. And people starving during the war. They are all around the table, and there was a silence, somebody say "An angel is passing by." So somebody say "Let's eat it!" (laughs)
WILLARD How long can you possibly stay here?
DEMARAIS We stay forever.
WILLARD No, no, I mean, why don't you go back home to France?
DEMARAIS This is our home, Captain.
WILLARD Sooner or later, you're --
DEMARAIS No!
Roxanne interrupts, saying something to him in French. He silences her.
DEMARAIS (to Willard) You don't understand our mentality! The French officer mentality! At first, we lose in Second World War. I don't say that you Americans win, but we lose.
CLAUDINE Oh, Papa.
DeMarais is starting to get heated up.
DEMARAIS When I speak, you shut up! (to Willard) In Dine Bien Phu, we lose! In Algeria, we lose! In Indochina, we lose. But here, we don't lose! This piece of earth, we keep it! We will never lose it! Never!
The OLD BLIND UNCLE at the other end of the table speaks, as Claudine cuts his food for him and feeds him.
OLD UNCLE And now you take French place, and the Viet Minh fight you. And what can you do? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
DEMARAIS The Vietnamese are very intelligent. You never know what they think. The Russian ones who help them, "Come and give us their money, we are all Communists. Chinese, come and give us guns. We're all brothers." They hate the Chinese! Maybe they hate the American less that the Russian and the Chinese. If tomorrow the Vietnamese are Communists, they will be Vietnamese Communists. And this is something that you will never understand, you American.
OLD UNCLE I don't know. Maybe in the future we can make something with the Viet Minh.
PHILIPPE Don't you understand? The V.C. say, "Go away! Go away!" That's finish for all the white people in Indochina. If you're French, American, that's all the same. "Go!" They want to forget you. Look, Captain --
He rises from the table.
DEMARAIS Come on, Philippe. It's enough now.
Philippe goes and picks up an egg from the basket, returns to the table.
PHILIPPE Look, this is the truth...
He breaks the egg in his hand, the contents dribble out.
PHILIPPE An egg, the white leaves, but the yellow stays!
He turns and walks away.
DEMARAIS (in French) Come on, stay with us. What's going on?
PHILIPPE (calling back) They don't want to face the truth.
He points to the dining room, turns and exits, LaFavre, playing his accordion, walks toward the dining room.
CHRISTIAN When I was in Saigon, I spoke to an American politician, and he explained it very well. He said, "Look, Yesterday it was Korea, today Vietnam, tomorrow Thailand, the Philippines, then maybe Europe."
LaFavre enters, playing the accordion.
CHRISTIAN Come on, why not Europe? Look what happened in Czechoslovakia recently. And even before the Second World War, the Americans knew exactly what was going on! They don't want that shit to take over! (to LaFavre, who is playing the accordion) LaFavre! LaFavre, stop it!
LAFAVRE All you white people are shit.
CHRISTIAN They are fighting. Fighting for freedom.
LAFAVRE Freedom? Bullshit. French bullshit. American bullshit. (to all) Dine Bien Phu, that's serious! All soldier know they are already dead. (to Willard) You know anything about Dine Bien Phu?
WILLARD Yeah, I know.
DEMARAIS No, you don't. Not really.
TUTOR A milliary mistake.
DEMARAIS A mistake? A voluntary mistake! Voluntary!
LAFAVRE All the soldiers knew, we knew we would be dead.
DEMARAIS The generals and the colonels believe it's impossible for the Viets to get the cannon up there in the mountain. But they do. Then they wait for the rain to come. When it comes, no airplane can fly there, and our paratroopers jump at ninety meters! I mean, you know, ninety meters! Seventy meters! That's crazy! Nobody in the world can do that! And they only do that to be dead with their friends.
LaFavre starts playing "The Star Spangled Banner!
DEMARAIS The French Army sacrificed. Sacrificed by politicians safe at home. They put the army in an impossible situation where they couldn't win!
TUTOR You exaggerate.
DEMARAIS The students are marching in Paris, protesting, demonstrating. They stab the soldiers in their back! The soldier would open a grenade, it wouldn't work. A piece of paper would fall, "Union of the French Woman." "We are all for the Viets." Traitors! Communist traitors at home!
LAFAVRE Dine Bien Phu, okay. The French is shit. No one care. No one want to--
CHRISTIAN You are bothering me, LaFavre! (to Willard) Why don't you Americans learn from us, from our mistakes? My God, with your army, your strength, your power...you could win if you wanted to!
As LaFavre leaves, he falls down some steps that lead out of the dining room.
DEMARAIS (in French; to Christian) Be kind and help this poor LaFavre who fell, please.
CHRISTIAN (to Willard) You can win!
He rises and goes to help the sergeant. As they leave, his wife Anne-Marie sits there nervously, then rises, excusing herself.
OLD UNCLE You know, I'm sure we can make something here. I'm sure about it, you know? I never do something wrong to the people here.
TUTOR That's right, but the Communists at home have never been traitors.
DEMARAIS No, never traitors. For me, Mendes- France was a Communist.
TUTOR Mendes-France was a Socialist.
DEMARAIS He was Communist! That's it!
They get into an argument in French. The others look at each other, at Willard, as the argument continues.
TUTOR Socialist.
DEMARAIS How do you want the government to win when it is Communist?
TUTOR Communists have always worked for peace wherever they are.
DEMARAIS They killed the French Army, which was the strongest. Destroyed because of who? The Communists.
TUTOR The army damaged itself by its attitude toward the people here.
DEMARAIS And why do you think that it did that? Because it understood it had been sacrificed by the Communist government.
TUTOR Socialist.
DEMARAIS Communist.
TUTOR Captain, good night.
The tutor gets up and starts to walk out...gives Demarais one more shot.
TUTOR (to DeMarais) Mendes-France was a Socialist.
He leaves.
OLD UNCLE We can stay. I know we can stay. You know, we always helped the people, we work with the people.
The old man continues babbling, as Claudine helps him up.
CLAUDINE Come on, we are leaving.
OLD UNCLE So we can be friends, we are agreed.
The exit, Claudine consoling him. Now only Roxanne, Willard, and DeMarais are at the table.
DEMARAIS See, Captain, when my grandfather and my uncle's father came here, there was nothing. Nothing. The Vietnamese were nothing. So we worked hard, very hard, and brought the rubber from Brazil, and then plant it here. We took the Vietnamese, work with them, make something, something out of nothing. So when you ask me why we want to stay here, Captain, we want to stay here because it's ours, it belongs to us. It keeps out family together. We fight for that! While you Americans, you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history. I'm sorry Captain. I will see if your men needs any help to repair your boat, so that you can go on with your war. Good night, Roxanne.
He rises from the table and moves out of the room. Willard and Roxanne are left alone at the table.
ROXANNE I apologize for my family, Captain. We have all loots much here. Hubert- his wife and two sons. And I have lost a husband.
WILLARD I understand.
ROXANNE You are tired of the war. I can see it in your face. It was the same in the eyes of the soldiers of our war. We called them "Les Soldat Perdus." The Lost Soldiers (a beat) If you like we can have some cognac.
She rises and moves to the living room.
WILLARD No, I have to see about my men and...
Roxanne stops at the bottom of the stairs. She turns to look at him.
ROXANNE The war will still be here tomorrow.
WILLARD Yeah, I guess you're right.
He rises and walks down into the living room. Roxanne moves toward a table full of liquor bottles.
ROXANNE I noticed you had no wine at dinner.
She begins to pour cognac into a glass.
WILLARD No, I don't drink wine. I do like cognac, but I don't want any now, thank you.
ROXANNE Well, then I must drink alone,. Then.
She picks up her glass of cognac, and walks by Willard out onto the terrace. Stops and looks back at him.
ROXANNE Will you go back after the war to America?
WILLARD No.
ROXANNE Then you're like us, your home is here.
She walks farther out onto the terrace, sits down on a sofa, with her back to the river below. Willard follows her and stands next to her at the railing. We can SEE men working on the PBR down below at the dock.
ROXANNE Do you know why you can never step into the same river twice?
WILLARD Yeah. Because it's always moving.
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Subject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint) Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:46 pm
Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.
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Here's an excerpt from the Screenplay with the dialog from the French dinner scene.... great material here.
The VIEW MOVES ALONG THE TABLE AND REVEALS that on a higher level there is a more elaborate table set, where the DeMarais family is dining with Willard.
Willard is sitting next to DeMarais, who is at the head of the table. Christian, ANNE-MARIE, and old blind UNCLE, Claudine, the TUTOR, and Philippe are all seated, listening to one of the grandchildren, who is reciting a poem. The other grandchildren stand nearby listening.
The child stumbles through the poem.
DEMARAIS (in French) You still need to study with Mr. Robert. Let's go. Not too bad. Go to bed everyone now.
The children kiss their parents good night, and run out of the room. DeMarais turns to Willard.
DEMARAIS This is Baudelaire. It is a very cruel poem for children, but they need it, because life sometime is very cruel.
He reaches behind him and picks up a plaque, hands it to Willard.
DEMARAIS As you can see. Attack repels by the family.
PHILIPPE Just for this war
DEMARAIS (pointing to the plaque) Vietcong, fifty-eight. North Vietnamese, twelve. South Vietnamese, eleven.
WILLARD Americans, six?
DEMARAIS Yes, well, there were perhaps mistakes.
Willard hands the plaque back to Demarais, who hands if off to Philippe.
ANOTHER ANGLE TO INCLUDE ROXANNE
The young woman we saw earlier, ROXANNE, has come down the stairs and moves into the dining Room. DeMarais looks up and sees her.
DEMARAIS (in French) Roxanne, you were curious to see these Americans, weren't you?
ROXANNE (in French) No, I was only hungry.
She stops in front of an empty chair next to Philippe. Willard rises to greet her.
DEMARAIS May I present Captain Willard, he is of a Paratroop regiment. Madame Sarrault.
She smiles and indicates for Willard to sit down.
ROXANNE Captain.
She sits down. There is an uneasy silence. She laughs slightly.
ROXANNE (in French) "An angel passes..."
DeMarais reacts.
DEMARAIS (in French) "...Let's butcher it!" Do you remember this story in Paris, when the baron said, "Let's cut the angel?"
ROXANNE (in French) I don't think that is the subject tonight.
DEMARAIS I'm sorry, Captain. It was just a little story. And people starving during the war. They are all around the table, and there was a silence, somebody say "An angel is passing by." So somebody say "Let's eat it!" (laughs)
WILLARD How long can you possibly stay here?
DEMARAIS We stay forever.
WILLARD No, no, I mean, why don't you go back home to France?
DEMARAIS This is our home, Captain.
WILLARD Sooner or later, you're --
DEMARAIS No!
Roxanne interrupts, saying something to him in French. He silences her.
DEMARAIS (to Willard) You don't understand our mentality! The French officer mentality! At first, we lose in Second World War. I don't say that you Americans win, but we lose.
CLAUDINE Oh, Papa.
DeMarais is starting to get heated up.
DEMARAIS When I speak, you shut up! (to Willard) In Dine Bien Phu, we lose! In Algeria, we lose! In Indochina, we lose. But here, we don't lose! This piece of earth, we keep it! We will never lose it! Never!
The OLD BLIND UNCLE at the other end of the table speaks, as Claudine cuts his food for him and feeds him.
OLD UNCLE And now you take French place, and the Viet Minh fight you. And what can you do? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
DEMARAIS The Vietnamese are very intelligent. You never know what they think. The Russian ones who help them, "Come and give us their money, we are all Communists. Chinese, come and give us guns. We're all brothers." They hate the Chinese! Maybe they hate the American less that the Russian and the Chinese. If tomorrow the Vietnamese are Communists, they will be Vietnamese Communists. And this is something that you will never understand, you American.
OLD UNCLE I don't know. Maybe in the future we can make something with the Viet Minh.
PHILIPPE Don't you understand? The V.C. say, "Go away! Go away!" That's finish for all the white people in Indochina. If you're French, American, that's all the same. "Go!" They want to forget you. Look, Captain --
He rises from the table.
DEMARAIS Come on, Philippe. It's enough now.
Philippe goes and picks up an egg from the basket, returns to the table.
PHILIPPE Look, this is the truth...
He breaks the egg in his hand, the contents dribble out.
PHILIPPE An egg, the white leaves, but the yellow stays!
He turns and walks away.
DEMARAIS (in French) Come on, stay with us. What's going on?
PHILIPPE (calling back) They don't want to face the truth.
He points to the dining room, turns and exits, LaFavre, playing his accordion, walks toward the dining room.
CHRISTIAN When I was in Saigon, I spoke to an American politician, and he explained it very well. He said, "Look, Yesterday it was Korea, today Vietnam, tomorrow Thailand, the Philippines, then maybe Europe."
LaFavre enters, playing the accordion.
CHRISTIAN Come on, why not Europe? Look what happened in Czechoslovakia recently. And even before the Second World War, the Americans knew exactly what was going on! They don't want that shit to take over! (to LaFavre, who is playing the accordion) LaFavre! LaFavre, stop it!
LAFAVRE All you white people are shit.
CHRISTIAN They are fighting. Fighting for freedom.
LAFAVRE Freedom? Bullshit. French bullshit. American bullshit. (to all) Dine Bien Phu, that's serious! All soldier know they are already dead. (to Willard) You know anything about Dine Bien Phu?
WILLARD Yeah, I know.
DEMARAIS No, you don't. Not really.
TUTOR A milliary mistake.
DEMARAIS A mistake? A voluntary mistake! Voluntary!
LAFAVRE All the soldiers knew, we knew we would be dead.
DEMARAIS The generals and the colonels believe it's impossible for the Viets to get the cannon up there in the mountain. But they do. Then they wait for the rain to come. When it comes, no airplane can fly there, and our paratroopers jump at ninety meters! I mean, you know, ninety meters! Seventy meters! That's crazy! Nobody in the world can do that! And they only do that to be dead with their friends.
LaFavre starts playing "The Star Spangled Banner!
DEMARAIS The French Army sacrificed. Sacrificed by politicians safe at home. They put the army in an impossible situation where they couldn't win!
TUTOR You exaggerate.
DEMARAIS The students are marching in Paris, protesting, demonstrating. They stab the soldiers in their back! The soldier would open a grenade, it wouldn't work. A piece of paper would fall, "Union of the French Woman." "We are all for the Viets." Traitors! Communist traitors at home!
LAFAVRE Dine Bien Phu, okay. The French is shit. No one care. No one want to--
CHRISTIAN You are bothering me, LaFavre! (to Willard) Why don't you Americans learn from us, from our mistakes? My God, with your army, your strength, your power...you could win if you wanted to!
As LaFavre leaves, he falls down some steps that lead out of the dining room.
DEMARAIS (in French; to Christian) Be kind and help this poor LaFavre who fell, please.
CHRISTIAN (to Willard) You can win!
He rises and goes to help the sergeant. As they leave, his wife Anne-Marie sits there nervously, then rises, excusing herself.
OLD UNCLE You know, I'm sure we can make something here. I'm sure about it, you know? I never do something wrong to the people here.
TUTOR That's right, but the Communists at home have never been traitors.
DEMARAIS No, never traitors. For me, Mendes- France was a Communist.
TUTOR Mendes-France was a Socialist.
DEMARAIS He was Communist! That's it!
They get into an argument in French. The others look at each other, at Willard, as the argument continues.
TUTOR Socialist.
DEMARAIS How do you want the government to win when it is Communist?
TUTOR Communists have always worked for peace wherever they are.
DEMARAIS They killed the French Army, which was the strongest. Destroyed because of who? The Communists.
TUTOR The army damaged itself by its attitude toward the people here.
DEMARAIS And why do you think that it did that? Because it understood it had been sacrificed by the Communist government.
TUTOR Socialist.
DEMARAIS Communist.
TUTOR Captain, good night.
The tutor gets up and starts to walk out...gives Demarais one more shot.
TUTOR (to DeMarais) Mendes-France was a Socialist.
He leaves.
OLD UNCLE We can stay. I know we can stay. You know, we always helped the people, we work with the people.
The old man continues babbling, as Claudine helps him up.
CLAUDINE Come on, we are leaving.
OLD UNCLE So we can be friends, we are agreed.
The exit, Claudine consoling him. Now only Roxanne, Willard, and DeMarais are at the table.
DEMARAIS See, Captain, when my grandfather and my uncle's father came here, there was nothing. Nothing. The Vietnamese were nothing. So we worked hard, very hard, and brought the rubber from Brazil, and then plant it here. We took the Vietnamese, work with them, make something, something out of nothing. So when you ask me why we want to stay here, Captain, we want to stay here because it's ours, it belongs to us. It keeps out family together. We fight for that! While you Americans, you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history. I'm sorry Captain. I will see if your men needs any help to repair your boat, so that you can go on with your war. Good night, Roxanne.
He rises from the table and moves out of the room. Willard and Roxanne are left alone at the table.
ROXANNE I apologize for my family, Captain. We have all loots much here. Hubert- his wife and two sons. And I have lost a husband.
WILLARD I understand.
ROXANNE You are tired of the war. I can see it in your face. It was the same in the eyes of the soldiers of our war. We called them "Les Soldat Perdus." The Lost Soldiers (a beat) If you like we can have some cognac.
She rises and moves to the living room.
WILLARD No, I have to see about my men and...
Roxanne stops at the bottom of the stairs. She turns to look at him.
ROXANNE The war will still be here tomorrow.
WILLARD Yeah, I guess you're right.
He rises and walks down into the living room. Roxanne moves toward a table full of liquor bottles.
ROXANNE I noticed you had no wine at dinner.
She begins to pour cognac into a glass.
WILLARD No, I don't drink wine. I do like cognac, but I don't want any now, thank you.
ROXANNE Well, then I must drink alone,. Then.
She picks up her glass of cognac, and walks by Willard out onto the terrace. Stops and looks back at him.
ROXANNE Will you go back after the war to America?
WILLARD No.
ROXANNE Then you're like us, your home is here.
She walks farther out onto the terrace, sits down on a sofa, with her back to the river below. Willard follows her and stands next to her at the railing. We can SEE men working on the PBR down below at the dock.
ROXANNE Do you know why you can never step into the same river twice?
WILLARD Yeah. Because it's always moving.
Thanks so much for posting this fascinating-looking material. ) ALL the films look good, & will get back to you after viewing same.
(HOW'd you get a "Workprint" anyhow?!) Very impressive!
Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.
This (great) material is a great surprise to me, as I had no idea this movie was of this quality (!) I "saw" this movie, at least I thought I did, but only part of it because I stopped watching it somewhere halfway through it when I completely lost the story's meaning, was totally confused and just abandoned it in disgust. It makes me very sad to see what was done to it--it was **really butchered** wasn't it?...Really sad...
From what I can see now, it was probably close to a great film--maybe even a masterpiece. But we'll never know because it was totally ruined, no doubt on purpose because the profound truthfulness, thus propaganda value, was so intense. But even with the butchery, a profound sadness and poignancy comes through.....and even in its present shattered condition the scenes I watched were utterly enthralling.
Need I say, thanks for posting... Just wish I could have seen it the way it was meant to have been seen....Makes me really sad*, like losing a jewel.
Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.
This (great) material is a great surprise to me, as I had no idea this movie was of this quality (!) I "saw" this movie, at least I thought I did, but only part of it because I stopped watching it somewhere halfway through it when I completely lost the story's meaning, was totally confused and just abandoned it in disgust. It makes me very sad to see what was done to it--it was **really butchered** wasn't it?...Really sad...
From what I can see now, it was probably close to a great film--maybe even a masterpiece. But we'll never know because it was totally ruined, no doubt on purpose because the profound truthfulness, thus propaganda value, was so intense. But even with the butchery, a profound sadness and poignancy comes through.....and even in its present shattered condition the scenes I watched were utterly enthralling.
Need I say, thanks for posting... Just wish I could have seen it the way it was meant to have been seen....Makes me really sad*, like losing a jewel.
Best, later.
*An overwhelming amount of sadness, huh....
Yeah, the movie we all saw in 1979 was some hacked-up Hollywood propaganda piece that rendered the real message of the movie moot. Anything of value was removed. Even the music by the Doors was replaced by the Rollingstones or removed completely... ugh.
Just to be clear, the key passage from the French Dinner scene is still in the Redux and Workprint version, where the old man discusses the US manufacture of the Vietnamese "enemy", but it's been deleted from the scripts that I've been able to locate.
The only places I've been able to find the Workprint version is on Youtube and downloaded via Torrents. The Youtube version has been broken-up into many 10minute pieces, so it's annoying to watch. Anyway, the 1st segment of the Youtube version can be found at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfxgCD_RNMo
The only place I've found an active version of the Torrent is at...
Understanding that the US created our Vietnamese enemy to first rid the French Colonialist, and second to create an excuse to enter Vietnam militarily is really a key to understanding how their systems manipulate the public, and how Vietnam was merely a technique for putting pressure on China (from the South) and Chinese elites, ultimately getting them to acquiesce to European/US Elite pressure to bring China into the International System. This action lead to Clinton's pushing through the GATT Treaty in the 90's, and the more recent exodus of global industry to China. This was a key part of the elite's agenda going into the 21st Century, rendering all other countries economically powerless. This is quite a departure from the History that the public understands.
PS. The Redux version, which was the director's cut and it approximately 3hours, contains what appears to be all of the French Dinner scene as well, and this version can be purchased at:
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) ALL the films look good, & will get back to you after viewing same.
Just wish I could have seen it the way it was meant to have been seen....Makes me really sad*, like losing a jewel.