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PostSubject: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Sun 22 Apr 2012, 3:58 pm

Only recently did I learn that there is a 5+ Hour version of the movie, Apocalype Now, with many more scenes that help one understand the bigger picture that Coppola was attempting to paint.

For example, I didn't know that the US created the Viet Minh. But of course, that makes total sense and it was referenced in the version of the film that played at the Cannes Film Festival. However, this entire part of the movie was censored BEFORE the film was publicly released. Here's the scene... Martin Sheen has discovered a Rubber Plantation still occupied by its French founders, who do not wish to leave Vietnam, ever. Sheen is having dinner with the French family and enters into a discussion about the war and its beginnings...





The most important takeway I had from this dialog was that the US created the Viet Minh to get rid of French Colonialists. However, I think this was only partly true..... for the US needed a fake enemy to create an excuse to enter Vietnam militarily. IMO, The war was created to pressure Chinese into negotiations with Kissinger.....that's the only interest the US actually had in Viet Nam....bringing China back into the international club. Once Kissinger got what the elites wants, the US military turned it's back. So, makes sense to me that this scene had to be censored.




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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:01 pm

And here's an interesting scene that was also deleted.




Sheen finds the Playboy Bunnies helicopter has run out of fuel upriver, so he negotiates 2-hours for his men to spend with the Bunnies in exchange for 2 barrels of fuel.

The Bunnies are shown to be totally ignorant, talking mindlessly about their birds or about their unrecognized talents while the GI's start to undress and fondle them. A sad commentary, really.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm

Here's an excerpt from the Screenplay with the dialog from the French dinner scene.... great material here.

The VIEW MOVES ALONG THE TABLE AND REVEALS that on a higher
level there is a more elaborate table set, where the
DeMarais family is dining with Willard.

Willard is sitting next to DeMarais, who is at the head of
the table. Christian, ANNE-MARIE, and old blind UNCLE,
Claudine, the TUTOR, and Philippe are all seated, listening
to one of the grandchildren, who is reciting a poem. The
other grandchildren stand nearby listening.

The child stumbles through the poem.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
You still need to study with Mr.
Robert. Let's go. Not too bad.
Go to bed everyone now.

The children kiss their parents good night, and run out of
the room. DeMarais turns to Willard.

DEMARAIS
This is Baudelaire. It is a very
cruel poem for children, but they
need it, because life sometime is
very cruel.

He reaches behind him and picks up a plaque, hands it to
Willard.

DEMARAIS
As you can see. Attack repels by
the family.

PHILIPPE
Just for this war

DEMARAIS
(pointing to the
plaque)
Vietcong, fifty-eight. North
Vietnamese, twelve. South
Vietnamese, eleven.

WILLARD
Americans, six?

DEMARAIS
Yes, well, there were perhaps
mistakes.

Willard hands the plaque back to Demarais, who hands if
off to Philippe.

ANOTHER ANGLE TO INCLUDE ROXANNE

The young woman we saw earlier, ROXANNE, has come down the
stairs and moves into the dining Room. DeMarais looks up
and sees her.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
Roxanne, you were curious to see
these Americans, weren't you?

ROXANNE
(in French)
No, I was only hungry.

She stops in front of an empty chair next to Philippe.
Willard rises to greet her.

DEMARAIS
May I present Captain Willard, he
is of a Paratroop regiment. Madame
Sarrault.

She smiles and indicates for Willard to sit down.

ROXANNE
Captain.

She sits down. There is an uneasy silence. She laughs
slightly.

ROXANNE
(in French)
"An angel passes..."

DeMarais reacts.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
"...Let's butcher it!" Do you
remember this story in Paris, when
the baron said, "Let's cut the
angel?"

ROXANNE
(in French)
I don't think that is the subject
tonight.

DEMARAIS
I'm sorry, Captain. It was just a
little story. And people starving
during the war. They are all around
the table, and there was a silence,
somebody say "An angel is passing
by." So somebody say "Let's eat
it!"
(laughs)

WILLARD
How long can you possibly stay
here?

DEMARAIS
We stay forever.

WILLARD
No, no, I mean, why don't you go
back home to France?

DEMARAIS
This is our home, Captain.

WILLARD
Sooner or later, you're --

DEMARAIS
No!

Roxanne interrupts, saying something to him in French. He
silences her.

DEMARAIS
(to Willard)
You don't understand our mentality!
The French officer mentality! At
first, we lose in Second World
War. I don't say that you Americans
win, but we lose.

CLAUDINE
Oh, Papa.

DeMarais is starting to get heated up.

DEMARAIS
When I speak, you shut up!
(to Willard)
In Dine Bien Phu, we lose! In
Algeria, we lose! In Indochina,
we lose. But here, we don't lose!
This piece of earth, we keep it!
We will never lose it! Never!

The OLD BLIND UNCLE at the other end of the table speaks,
as Claudine cuts his food for him and feeds him.

OLD UNCLE
And now you take French place, and
the Viet Minh fight you. And what
can you do? Nothing. Absolutely
nothing.

DEMARAIS
The Vietnamese are very intelligent.
You never know what they think.
The Russian ones who help them,
"Come and give us their money, we
are all Communists. Chinese, come
and give us guns. We're all
brothers." They hate the Chinese!
Maybe they hate the American less
that the Russian and the Chinese.
If tomorrow the Vietnamese are
Communists, they will be Vietnamese
Communists. And this is something
that you will never understand,
you American.

OLD UNCLE
I don't know. Maybe in the future
we can make something with the
Viet Minh.

PHILIPPE
Don't you understand? The V.C.
say, "Go away! Go away!" That's
finish for all the white people in
Indochina. If you're French,
American, that's all the same.
"Go!" They want to forget you.
Look, Captain --

He rises from the table.

DEMARAIS
Come on, Philippe. It's enough
now.

Philippe goes and picks up an egg from the basket, returns
to the table.

PHILIPPE
Look, this is the truth...

He breaks the egg in his hand, the contents dribble out.

PHILIPPE
An egg, the white leaves, but the
yellow stays!

He turns and walks away.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
Come on, stay with us. What's
going on?

PHILIPPE
(calling back)
They don't want to face the truth.

He points to the dining room, turns and exits, LaFavre,
playing his accordion, walks toward the dining room.

CHRISTIAN
When I was in Saigon, I spoke to
an American politician, and he
explained it very well. He said,
"Look, Yesterday it was Korea,
today Vietnam, tomorrow Thailand,
the Philippines, then maybe Europe."

LaFavre enters, playing the accordion.

CHRISTIAN
Come on, why not Europe? Look
what happened in Czechoslovakia
recently. And even before the
Second World War, the Americans
knew exactly what was going on!
They don't want that shit to take
over!
(to LaFavre, who is
playing the
accordion)
LaFavre! LaFavre, stop it!

LAFAVRE
All you white people are shit.

CHRISTIAN
They are fighting. Fighting for
freedom.

LAFAVRE
Freedom? Bullshit. French
bullshit. American bullshit.
(to all)
Dine Bien Phu, that's serious!
All soldier know they are already
dead.
(to Willard)
You know anything about Dine Bien
Phu?

WILLARD
Yeah, I know.

DEMARAIS
No, you don't. Not really.

TUTOR
A milliary mistake.

DEMARAIS
A mistake? A voluntary mistake!
Voluntary!

LAFAVRE
All the soldiers knew, we knew we
would be dead.

DEMARAIS
The generals and the colonels
believe it's impossible for the
Viets to get the cannon up there
in the mountain. But they do.
Then they wait for the rain to
come. When it comes, no airplane
can fly there, and our paratroopers
jump at ninety meters! I mean,
you know, ninety meters! Seventy
meters! That's crazy! Nobody in
the world can do that! And they
only do that to be dead with their
friends.

LaFavre starts playing "The Star Spangled Banner!

DEMARAIS
The French Army sacrificed.
Sacrificed by politicians safe at
home. They put the army in an
impossible situation where they
couldn't win!

TUTOR
You exaggerate.

DEMARAIS
The students are marching in Paris,
protesting, demonstrating. They
stab the soldiers in their back!
The soldier would open a grenade,
it wouldn't work. A piece of paper
would fall, "Union of the French
Woman." "We are all for the Viets."
Traitors! Communist traitors at
home!

LAFAVRE
Dine Bien Phu, okay. The French
is shit. No one care. No one
want to--

CHRISTIAN
You are bothering me, LaFavre!
(to Willard)
Why don't you Americans learn from
us, from our mistakes? My God,
with your army, your strength,
your power...you could win if you
wanted to!

As LaFavre leaves, he falls down some steps that lead out
of the dining room.

DEMARAIS
(in French; to
Christian)
Be kind and help this poor LaFavre
who fell, please.

CHRISTIAN
(to Willard)
You can win!

He rises and goes to help the sergeant. As they leave,
his wife Anne-Marie sits there nervously, then rises,
excusing herself.

OLD UNCLE
You know, I'm sure we can make
something here. I'm sure about
it, you know? I never do something
wrong to the people here.

TUTOR
That's right, but the Communists
at home have never been traitors.

DEMARAIS
No, never traitors. For me, Mendes-
France was a Communist.

TUTOR
Mendes-France was a Socialist.

DEMARAIS
He was Communist! That's it!

They get into an argument in French. The others look at
each other, at Willard, as the argument continues.

TUTOR
Socialist.

DEMARAIS
How do you want the government to
win when it is Communist?

TUTOR
Communists have always worked for
peace wherever they are.

DEMARAIS
They killed the French Army, which
was the strongest. Destroyed
because of who? The Communists.

TUTOR
The army damaged itself by its
attitude toward the people here.

DEMARAIS
And why do you think that it did
that? Because it understood it
had been sacrificed by the Communist
government.

TUTOR
Socialist.

DEMARAIS
Communist.

TUTOR
Captain, good night.

The tutor gets up and starts to walk out...gives Demarais
one more shot.

TUTOR
(to DeMarais)
Mendes-France was a Socialist.

He leaves.

OLD UNCLE
We can stay. I know we can stay.
You know, we always helped the
people, we work with the people.

The old man continues babbling, as Claudine helps him up.

CLAUDINE
Come on, we are leaving.

OLD UNCLE
So we can be friends, we are agreed.

The exit, Claudine consoling him. Now only Roxanne,
Willard, and DeMarais are at the table.

DEMARAIS
See, Captain, when my grandfather
and my uncle's father came here,
there was nothing. Nothing. The
Vietnamese were nothing. So we
worked hard, very hard, and brought
the rubber from Brazil, and then
plant it here. We took the
Vietnamese, work with them, make
something, something out of nothing.
So when you ask me why we want to
stay here, Captain, we want to
stay here because it's ours, it
belongs to us. It keeps out family
together. We fight for that!
While you Americans, you are
fighting for the biggest nothing
in history. I'm sorry Captain. I
will see if your men needs any
help to repair your boat, so that
you can go on with your war. Good
night, Roxanne.

He rises from the table and moves out of the room. Willard
and Roxanne are left alone at the table.

ROXANNE
I apologize for my family, Captain.
We have all loots much here. Hubert-
his wife and two sons. And I have
lost a husband.

WILLARD
I understand.

ROXANNE
You are tired of the war. I can
see it in your face. It was the
same in the eyes of the soldiers
of our war. We called them "Les
Soldat Perdus." The Lost Soldiers
(a beat)
If you like we can have some cognac.

She rises and moves to the living room.

WILLARD
No, I have to see about my men
and...

Roxanne stops at the bottom of the stairs. She turns to
look at him.

ROXANNE
The war will still be here tomorrow.

WILLARD
Yeah, I guess you're right.

He rises and walks down into the living room. Roxanne
moves toward a table full of liquor bottles.

ROXANNE
I noticed you had no wine at dinner.

She begins to pour cognac into a glass.

WILLARD
No, I don't drink wine. I do like
cognac, but I don't want any now,
thank you.

ROXANNE
Well, then I must drink alone,.
Then.

She picks up her glass of cognac, and walks by Willard out
onto the terrace. Stops and looks back at him.

ROXANNE
Will you go back after the war to
America?

WILLARD
No.

ROXANNE
Then you're like us, your home is
here.

She walks farther out onto the terrace, sits down on a
sofa, with her back to the river below. Willard follows
her and stands next to her at the railing. We can SEE men
working on the PBR down below at the dock.

ROXANNE
Do you know why you can never step
into the same river twice?

WILLARD
Yeah. Because it's always moving.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Sun 22 Apr 2012, 4:46 pm

Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.

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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Mon 23 Apr 2012, 8:36 pm

C1 wrote:
Here's an excerpt from the Screenplay with the dialog from the French dinner scene.... great material here.

The VIEW MOVES ALONG THE TABLE AND REVEALS that on a higher
level there is a more elaborate table set, where the
DeMarais family is dining with Willard.

Willard is sitting next to DeMarais, who is at the head of
the table. Christian, ANNE-MARIE, and old blind UNCLE,
Claudine, the TUTOR, and Philippe are all seated, listening
to one of the grandchildren, who is reciting a poem. The
other grandchildren stand nearby listening.

The child stumbles through the poem.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
You still need to study with Mr.
Robert. Let's go. Not too bad.
Go to bed everyone now.

The children kiss their parents good night, and run out of
the room. DeMarais turns to Willard.

DEMARAIS
This is Baudelaire. It is a very
cruel poem for children, but they
need it, because life sometime is
very cruel.

He reaches behind him and picks up a plaque, hands it to
Willard.

DEMARAIS
As you can see. Attack repels by
the family.

PHILIPPE
Just for this war

DEMARAIS
(pointing to the
plaque)
Vietcong, fifty-eight. North
Vietnamese, twelve. South
Vietnamese, eleven.

WILLARD
Americans, six?

DEMARAIS
Yes, well, there were perhaps
mistakes.

Willard hands the plaque back to Demarais, who hands if
off to Philippe.

ANOTHER ANGLE TO INCLUDE ROXANNE

The young woman we saw earlier, ROXANNE, has come down the
stairs and moves into the dining Room. DeMarais looks up
and sees her.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
Roxanne, you were curious to see
these Americans, weren't you?

ROXANNE
(in French)
No, I was only hungry.

She stops in front of an empty chair next to Philippe.
Willard rises to greet her.

DEMARAIS
May I present Captain Willard, he
is of a Paratroop regiment. Madame
Sarrault.

She smiles and indicates for Willard to sit down.

ROXANNE
Captain.

She sits down. There is an uneasy silence. She laughs
slightly.

ROXANNE
(in French)
"An angel passes..."

DeMarais reacts.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
"...Let's butcher it!" Do you
remember this story in Paris, when
the baron said, "Let's cut the
angel?"

ROXANNE
(in French)
I don't think that is the subject
tonight.

DEMARAIS
I'm sorry, Captain. It was just a
little story. And people starving
during the war. They are all around
the table, and there was a silence,
somebody say "An angel is passing
by." So somebody say "Let's eat
it!"
(laughs)

WILLARD
How long can you possibly stay
here?

DEMARAIS
We stay forever.

WILLARD
No, no, I mean, why don't you go
back home to France?

DEMARAIS
This is our home, Captain.

WILLARD
Sooner or later, you're --

DEMARAIS
No!

Roxanne interrupts, saying something to him in French. He
silences her.

DEMARAIS
(to Willard)
You don't understand our mentality!
The French officer mentality! At
first, we lose in Second World
War. I don't say that you Americans
win, but we lose.

CLAUDINE
Oh, Papa.

DeMarais is starting to get heated up.

DEMARAIS
When I speak, you shut up!
(to Willard)
In Dine Bien Phu, we lose! In
Algeria, we lose! In Indochina,
we lose. But here, we don't lose!
This piece of earth, we keep it!
We will never lose it! Never!

The OLD BLIND UNCLE at the other end of the table speaks,
as Claudine cuts his food for him and feeds him.

OLD UNCLE
And now you take French place, and
the Viet Minh fight you. And what
can you do? Nothing. Absolutely
nothing.

DEMARAIS
The Vietnamese are very intelligent.
You never know what they think.
The Russian ones who help them,
"Come and give us their money, we
are all Communists. Chinese, come
and give us guns. We're all
brothers." They hate the Chinese!
Maybe they hate the American less
that the Russian and the Chinese.
If tomorrow the Vietnamese are
Communists, they will be Vietnamese
Communists. And this is something
that you will never understand,
you American.

OLD UNCLE
I don't know. Maybe in the future
we can make something with the
Viet Minh.

PHILIPPE
Don't you understand? The V.C.
say, "Go away! Go away!" That's
finish for all the white people in
Indochina. If you're French,
American, that's all the same.
"Go!" They want to forget you.
Look, Captain --

He rises from the table.

DEMARAIS
Come on, Philippe. It's enough
now.

Philippe goes and picks up an egg from the basket, returns
to the table.

PHILIPPE
Look, this is the truth...

He breaks the egg in his hand, the contents dribble out.

PHILIPPE
An egg, the white leaves, but the
yellow stays!

He turns and walks away.

DEMARAIS
(in French)
Come on, stay with us. What's
going on?

PHILIPPE
(calling back)
They don't want to face the truth.

He points to the dining room, turns and exits, LaFavre,
playing his accordion, walks toward the dining room.

CHRISTIAN
When I was in Saigon, I spoke to
an American politician, and he
explained it very well. He said,
"Look, Yesterday it was Korea,
today Vietnam, tomorrow Thailand,
the Philippines, then maybe Europe."

LaFavre enters, playing the accordion.

CHRISTIAN
Come on, why not Europe? Look
what happened in Czechoslovakia
recently. And even before the
Second World War, the Americans
knew exactly what was going on!
They don't want that shit to take
over!
(to LaFavre, who is
playing the
accordion)
LaFavre! LaFavre, stop it!

LAFAVRE
All you white people are shit.

CHRISTIAN
They are fighting. Fighting for
freedom.

LAFAVRE
Freedom? Bullshit. French
bullshit. American bullshit.
(to all)
Dine Bien Phu, that's serious!
All soldier know they are already
dead.
(to Willard)
You know anything about Dine Bien
Phu?

WILLARD
Yeah, I know.

DEMARAIS
No, you don't. Not really.

TUTOR
A milliary mistake.

DEMARAIS
A mistake? A voluntary mistake!
Voluntary!

LAFAVRE
All the soldiers knew, we knew we
would be dead.

DEMARAIS
The generals and the colonels
believe it's impossible for the
Viets to get the cannon up there
in the mountain. But they do.
Then they wait for the rain to
come. When it comes, no airplane
can fly there, and our paratroopers
jump at ninety meters! I mean,
you know, ninety meters! Seventy
meters! That's crazy! Nobody in
the world can do that! And they
only do that to be dead with their
friends.

LaFavre starts playing "The Star Spangled Banner!

DEMARAIS
The French Army sacrificed.
Sacrificed by politicians safe at
home. They put the army in an
impossible situation where they
couldn't win!

TUTOR
You exaggerate.

DEMARAIS
The students are marching in Paris,
protesting, demonstrating. They
stab the soldiers in their back!
The soldier would open a grenade,
it wouldn't work. A piece of paper
would fall, "Union of the French
Woman." "We are all for the Viets."
Traitors! Communist traitors at
home!

LAFAVRE
Dine Bien Phu, okay. The French
is shit. No one care. No one
want to--

CHRISTIAN
You are bothering me, LaFavre!
(to Willard)
Why don't you Americans learn from
us, from our mistakes? My God,
with your army, your strength,
your power...you could win if you
wanted to!

As LaFavre leaves, he falls down some steps that lead out
of the dining room.

DEMARAIS
(in French; to
Christian)
Be kind and help this poor LaFavre
who fell, please.

CHRISTIAN
(to Willard)
You can win!

He rises and goes to help the sergeant. As they leave,
his wife Anne-Marie sits there nervously, then rises,
excusing herself.

OLD UNCLE
You know, I'm sure we can make
something here. I'm sure about
it, you know? I never do something
wrong to the people here.

TUTOR
That's right, but the Communists
at home have never been traitors.

DEMARAIS
No, never traitors. For me, Mendes-
France was a Communist.

TUTOR
Mendes-France was a Socialist.

DEMARAIS
He was Communist! That's it!

They get into an argument in French. The others look at
each other, at Willard, as the argument continues.

TUTOR
Socialist.

DEMARAIS
How do you want the government to
win when it is Communist?

TUTOR
Communists have always worked for
peace wherever they are.

DEMARAIS
They killed the French Army, which
was the strongest. Destroyed
because of who? The Communists.

TUTOR
The army damaged itself by its
attitude toward the people here.

DEMARAIS
And why do you think that it did
that? Because it understood it
had been sacrificed by the Communist
government.

TUTOR
Socialist.

DEMARAIS
Communist.

TUTOR
Captain, good night.

The tutor gets up and starts to walk out...gives Demarais
one more shot.

TUTOR
(to DeMarais)
Mendes-France was a Socialist.

He leaves.

OLD UNCLE
We can stay. I know we can stay.
You know, we always helped the
people, we work with the people.

The old man continues babbling, as Claudine helps him up.

CLAUDINE
Come on, we are leaving.

OLD UNCLE
So we can be friends, we are agreed.

The exit, Claudine consoling him. Now only Roxanne,
Willard, and DeMarais are at the table.

DEMARAIS
See, Captain, when my grandfather
and my uncle's father came here,
there was nothing. Nothing. The
Vietnamese were nothing. So we
worked hard, very hard, and brought
the rubber from Brazil, and then
plant it here. We took the
Vietnamese, work with them, make
something, something out of nothing.
So when you ask me why we want to
stay here, Captain, we want to
stay here because it's ours, it
belongs to us. It keeps out family
together. We fight for that!
While you Americans, you are
fighting for the biggest nothing
in history. I'm sorry Captain. I
will see if your men needs any
help to repair your boat, so that
you can go on with your war. Good
night, Roxanne.

He rises from the table and moves out of the room. Willard
and Roxanne are left alone at the table.

ROXANNE
I apologize for my family, Captain.
We have all loots much here. Hubert-
his wife and two sons. And I have
lost a husband.

WILLARD
I understand.

ROXANNE
You are tired of the war. I can
see it in your face. It was the
same in the eyes of the soldiers
of our war. We called them "Les
Soldat Perdus." The Lost Soldiers
(a beat)
If you like we can have some cognac.

She rises and moves to the living room.

WILLARD
No, I have to see about my men
and...

Roxanne stops at the bottom of the stairs. She turns to
look at him.

ROXANNE
The war will still be here tomorrow.

WILLARD
Yeah, I guess you're right.

He rises and walks down into the living room. Roxanne
moves toward a table full of liquor bottles.

ROXANNE
I noticed you had no wine at dinner.

She begins to pour cognac into a glass.

WILLARD
No, I don't drink wine. I do like
cognac, but I don't want any now,
thank you.

ROXANNE
Well, then I must drink alone,.
Then.

She picks up her glass of cognac, and walks by Willard out
onto the terrace. Stops and looks back at him.

ROXANNE
Will you go back after the war to
America?

WILLARD
No.

ROXANNE
Then you're like us, your home is
here.

She walks farther out onto the terrace, sits down on a
sofa, with her back to the river below. Willard follows
her and stands next to her at the railing. We can SEE men
working on the PBR down below at the dock.

ROXANNE
Do you know why you can never step
into the same river twice?

WILLARD
Yeah. Because it's always moving.


Thanks so much for posting this fascinating-looking material. Smile) ALL the films look good, & will get back to you after viewing same.

(HOW'd you get a "Workprint" anyhow?!) Very impressive! Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Wed 25 Apr 2012, 2:44 pm

C1 wrote:
Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.

This (great) material is a great surprise to me, as I had no idea this movie was of this quality (!) I "saw" this movie, at least I thought I did, but only part of it because I stopped watching it somewhere halfway through it when I completely lost the story's meaning, was totally confused and just abandoned it in disgust.
It makes me very sad to see what was done to it--it was **really butchered** wasn't it?...Really sad...

From what I can see now, it was probably close to a great film--maybe even a masterpiece. But we'll never know because it was totally ruined, no doubt on purpose because the profound truthfulness, thus propaganda value, was so intense. But even with the butchery, a profound sadness and poignancy comes through.....and even in its present shattered condition the scenes I watched were utterly enthralling.

Need I say, thanks for posting... sunny Just wish I could have seen it the way it was meant to have been seen....Makes me really sad*, like losing a jewel.

Best, later. farao

*An overwhelming amount of sadness, huh....
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PostSubject: Re: Apocalypse Now (Workprint)   Wed 25 Apr 2012, 7:54 pm

ScoutsHonor wrote:
C1 wrote:
Jesus christ, I downloaded the movie script (http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocalypsenowredux.html) and posted the French Dinner scene excerpt above, but when I go look for the punchline about the US creating the Viet Ming, it's not there, it's been censored. So, even the key part of the scene has been removed from the script for the Redux version of the film. Damn.

This (great) material is a great surprise to me, as I had no idea this movie was of this quality (!) I "saw" this movie, at least I thought I did, but only part of it because I stopped watching it somewhere halfway through it when I completely lost the story's meaning, was totally confused and just abandoned it in disgust.
It makes me very sad to see what was done to it--it was **really butchered** wasn't it?...Really sad...

From what I can see now, it was probably close to a great film--maybe even a masterpiece. But we'll never know because it was totally ruined, no doubt on purpose because the profound truthfulness, thus propaganda value, was so intense. But even with the butchery, a profound sadness and poignancy comes through.....and even in its present shattered condition the scenes I watched were utterly enthralling.

Need I say, thanks for posting... sunny Just wish I could have seen it the way it was meant to have been seen....Makes me really sad*, like losing a jewel.

Best, later. farao

*An overwhelming amount of sadness, huh....
Yeah, the movie we all saw in 1979 was some hacked-up Hollywood propaganda piece that rendered the real message of the movie moot. Anything of value was removed. Even the music by the Doors was replaced by the Rollingstones or removed completely... ugh.

Just to be clear, the key passage from the French Dinner scene is still in the Redux and Workprint version, where the old man discusses the US manufacture of the Vietnamese "enemy", but it's been deleted from the scripts that I've been able to locate.

The only places I've been able to find the Workprint version is on Youtube and downloaded via Torrents. The Youtube version has been broken-up into many 10minute pieces, so it's annoying to watch. Anyway, the 1st segment of the Youtube version can be found at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfxgCD_RNMo

The only place I've found an active version of the Torrent is at...

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2328219/0019176357906/

Understanding that the US created our Vietnamese enemy to first rid the French Colonialist, and second to create an excuse to enter Vietnam militarily is really a key to understanding how their systems manipulate the public, and how Vietnam was merely a technique for putting pressure on China (from the South) and Chinese elites, ultimately getting them to acquiesce to European/US Elite pressure to bring China into the International System. This action lead to Clinton's pushing through the GATT Treaty in the 90's, and the more recent exodus of global industry to China. This was a key part of the elite's agenda going into the 21st Century, rendering all other countries economically powerless. This is quite a departure from the History that the public understands.

PS. The Redux version, which was the director's cut and it approximately 3hours, contains what appears to be all of the French Dinner scene as well, and this version can be purchased at:

http://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Now-Redux-Martin-Sheen/dp/B00005OWEG

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