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PostSubject: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sat 03 Jul 2010, 4:53 pm

Interesting note: On Alan Watt's July 2, 2010 broadcast, he devoted about 10-15 minutes of the broadcast to Jacques Ellul's book "The Technological Society", quoting from it directly and then stressing certain of the ideas, with obviously sincere approval..

If you'd like to listen to this segment, go to www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, to the 7/2/10 broadcast, and tune in at approx. 28mins. into the tape..

Alan Watt remains an enigma to me, because of these kinds of incidents. And I thought I *understood* psychology...Ha! Obviously not confused
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sat 03 Jul 2010, 8:31 pm

Theory of Full Spectrum Dominance mandates the usurpation of ALL vectors in the spectrum. Once Watt owns the Ellul vector, then he'll be able to twist it however he sees fit. Additionally, adding Ellul to the Watt spectrum of vectors discredits any discussion of Ellul as just another point of content that that nutcase conspiracy theorists discusses.

Ugh, 5-minutes of listening to Watt and I'll I want to do is sit in a corner and cry. He's awesome at breaking ones spirit. Sorry, I can't handle that man anymore Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 04 Jul 2010, 12:07 am

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Theory of Full Spectrum Dominance mandates the usurpation of ALL vectors in the spectrum. Once Watt owns the Ellul vector, then he'll be able to twist it however he sees fit. Additionally, adding Ellul to the Watt spectrum of vectors discredits any discussion of Ellul as just another point of content that that nutcase conspiracy theorists discusses.

Ugh, 5-minutes of listening to Watt and I'll I want to do is sit in a corner and cry. He's awesome at breaking ones spirit. Sorry, I can't handle that man anymore Sad

I agree with your second point. I also agree partially with your first point, though I don't see how he's "just another nutcase conspiracy theorist". I see him as a fearmonger, though he's a big step up from Alex Jones.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 04 Jul 2010, 10:16 am

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Ugh, 5-minutes of listening to Watt and I'll I want to do is sit in a corner and cry. He's awesome at breaking ones spirit. Sorry, I can't handle that man anymore

HahaHa :-)
Absolutely...

But I have a new theory about his ultimate usefulness, which I will share soon. It's probably not new at all, but I do think it's got validity.

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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sat 10 Jul 2010, 8:37 pm

Out of all the dialects out there, Alan Watt's seems to be the closest to the spirit and apparent goals of this forum. I don't quite understand your negative framing of him. Is it the competition for being the source of certain memes? Or perhaps reverse psychology?
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 11 Jul 2010, 2:14 am

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Out of all the dialects out there, Alan Watt's seems to be the closest to the spirit and apparent goals of this forum. I don't quite understand your negative framing of him. Is it the competition for being the source of certain memes? Or perhaps reverse psychology?
In summary, my primary problem with Watt is that he provides very low quality and incomplete information that leads his listeners down a dead end road, toward helplessness, possible depression, and more magical thinking (ie. the Masons run the world). In general, he does not steer his listeners in directions that will allow them to attain critical consciousness, ultimately thinking for themselves. I view him as someone who creates an endless dependency for the audience on the cult personality.

For example, his discussion of Adorno focused on Watt's claim that Adorno wrote the music for the Beattles. Now, while I have never found evidence of Watt's claim, what Watt failed to present was Adorno's important work in the areas of Dialectic of Enlightenment, the Massification of Culture, and his work with Marcuse on Victim Groups. So, Watt focuses our attention on something that may or may not be true, but certainly is not nearly as important to understanding our current circumstances within society as Adorno's most famous and known work.

Further, Watt continues to refer to the "high sciences" but rarely ever addresses these in any tangible fashion. Why not? The military industrial complex has created Information Operations, Revolution in Military Affairs, Cybernetic Management Systems, Network Centric Operations, etc. These are not too difficult to explain, or for the audience to understand. But, we never get this information from Watt. He stops at "the high sciences" and leaves it at that.

But I think the kicker is when one comes to understand what it is that Watt actually believes, or says that he believes, and that is the "writings" of Glenn Kealey, who supposedly published these beliefs in a newspaper bulletin years before Watt began his talk show career.

Here's a reasonably extensive document that shows that Watt got (or stole) some of his material form Kealey, and what the beliefs are that are being espoused by Watt, including the notion that "Freemasons are 'freed slaves'of a race of subterranean secret creators of our civilization called Troglodytes."

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/22202131/The-Case-of-Alan-Watt-and-Glen-Kealey

Everything that I have learned about how Information Operations and Information Actors works indicates to me that Watt is simply a more sophisticated IO Actor. Finally, I ask the question, if Watt was as sophisticated as he claims, would he not be able to understand that AJ is a IO Actor. And if so, then why would someone knowingly corroborate with a known IO Actor. If Watt has not figured out that AJ is an IO Actor, then Watt does not have the insight he claims and therefore is not a valuable resource.

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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 11 Jul 2010, 3:52 am

Well it's true about the "fear and depression" part, I mean he doesn't offer any active solutions. But perhaps just "waking up" and understanding the mechanisms of control is enough for someone to become free of it? At least awareness could make them feel better about themselves, even if they have to go through all the same motions. But I'm still unclear about the correct path.

As far as Troglodytes, he has this on his front page:
Quote :
For those who wish information on Reptilian
people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment
sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these
particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and
Testudines. If the department head is in good form he may answer some
questions, depending on how hot or cold-blooded he feels at the time,
but generally he's a good egg. Don't show off your knowledge on the subject,
because he may become green with envy and give you a watered down
story. Failing that, have a hypnotist see if you're highly suggestible
or ponder this profound statement by Adam Weishaupt:

"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

I don't know about the AJ thing, I do recall a caller asked him what he thought about AJ and he wouldn't answer.

Do you think he makes a good amount in donations? He always says how he badly needs donations and appears like he can stop making broadcasts at any time because he isn't getting enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 11 Jul 2010, 3:58 am

I'm creating a website. The goal is to take people from zero to 100. It's called http://www.revolutioninmilitaryaffairs.com

Right now, I am at about 50. In my free time, I will study this information. I am enlisting the help of those individuals in order to go beyond the scope of my information after I have written it all down.

It has doesn't have much on it yet, but over the course of the next week I will add introductory content.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 11 Jul 2010, 12:00 pm

ArtificialThought wrote:
Well it's true about the "fear and depression" part, I mean he doesn't offer any active solutions. But perhaps just "waking up" and understanding the mechanisms of control is enough for someone to become free of it? At least awareness could make them feel better about themselves, even if they have to go through all the same motions. But I'm still unclear about the correct path.

As far as Troglodytes, he has this on his front page:
Quote :
For those who wish information on Reptilian
people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment
sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these
particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and
Testudines. If the department head is in good form he may answer some
questions, depending on how hot or cold-blooded he feels at the time,
but generally he's a good egg. Don't show off your knowledge on the subject,
because he may become green with envy and give you a watered down
story. Failing that, have a hypnotist see if you're highly suggestible
or ponder this profound statement by Adam Weishaupt:

"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

I don't know about the AJ thing, I do recall a caller asked him what he thought about AJ and he wouldn't answer.

Do you think he makes a good amount in donations? He always says how he badly needs donations and appears like he can stop making broadcasts at any time because he isn't getting enough.
Alan did push the Troglodytes material, it's all throughout his books that he sells/sold - so it's been well documented. I didn't realize he is trying to distance himself from that now.

When I used to listen, Alan used to appear on AJ's show quite regularly. In fact, one of the more famous clips of AJ totally going-off on a caller was during a show with Alan, and Alan sat silently and did not say anything. So, I can only take the face that Alan repeatedly attends AJ's show as an implicit endorsement of AJ.

As far as Alan's dwelling, the address that he has given out in the past simply does not exist. Further, for several years, while repeatedly mentioning his dog, no one ever heard his dog while he was on air. That is, until another podcasters noticed this and mentioned the fact that we never hear any noises from his dog. Well, 2-weeks later listeners heard their first dog bark. But all this is trivial. It is my belief, that Alan is very well paid - no less than high 6-figure annually.

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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Sun 11 Jul 2010, 1:47 pm

Perhaps going against AJ means one will never be able to get shows on any patriot radio stations.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:46 am

Well, AJ is the tip of the spear for the online conspiracy network. So yeah, if you want a share of his audience, you're going to have to play by his rules. But why make that sort of compromise, just to get market share? That's a slippery slope.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:19 pm

Conversely, there are many people that self publish their own blogs/podcasts that pooh pooh Jones and claim to provide truth. Some don't even pooh pooh Jones and just focus on content like Jan Irvin. Vectors are everywhere, I'm still searching for a show that advises NOT to listen to it! LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 1:50 pm

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Conversely, there are many people that self publish their own blogs/podcasts that pooh pooh Jones and claim to provide truth. Some don't even pooh pooh Jones and just focus on content like Jan Irvin. Vectors are everywhere, I'm still searching for a show that advises NOT to listen to it! LOL
Ok, I'll say it - Don't Listen to Me! Smile

Turn everything off. Think for yourself. Develop your own perception of reality.

But then, I really don't think I needed to say any of this to this group, as I think all the people here know this already, otherwise I don't think I would be hanging around.
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PostSubject: Re: Alan Watt discusses Jacques Ellul   Wed 08 Sep 2010, 3:05 am

Many of Alan Watt's so-called "insights" into the Occult come from Michael Hoffman's book "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare": http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2010/03/michael-hoffmans-online-revisionist.html

Hoffman is an original researcher. Watt takes a lot of high quality information, gives it a little contamination, and communicates it in such a way that it terrorizes people.

However, some people might benefit from listening to Alan Watt, particularly his earlier shows with Petru and his blurbs, if they are new to this information.

Regarding Hoffman - he might be controlled in some way, but so far, I have seen very high quality information from him, and he seems to be somewhat marginalized.
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