WWWS
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.



 
Home  Latest imagesLatest images  Search  KDR  Register  Log in  

 

 Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter

Go down 
2 posters
AuthorMessage
Clairvoyant




Posts : 241
Join date : 2009-11-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyWed 12 May 2010, 1:16 pm

I found this website run by a guy who has a different view of quantum mechanics than the current status quo theories. I am by no means an expert but after looking into both sides it seems like he is one step ahead of the other guys and on the right path IMHO. This is a quick overview of the website but please look into what else he has to say, his arguments are very in-depth. If correct, the philosophical implications of what he has found are quite profound.

Quote :

A Very Short Summary of the Wave Structure of Matter!

First the error then the simple solution.

The Error
relates to the metaphysical foundations of Physics, Newton's Mechanics, which tried to describe an interconnected dynamic reality in terms of many discrete inert matter 'particles'. This then required the invention of 'forces / fields' to connect the motion of these 'mass' particles in 'absolute space' and 'absolute time'. Newton (and Einstein) realised that this was just a mathematical solution that did not explain how matter is interconnected across the universe.

The solution is obvious once known - just replace the motion of discrete matter particles in space and time with the wave motion of space that causes matter and time. (Schrodinger,Wolff,Haselhurst,WSM theorists). A series of spherical waves that flow in and out through the wave center form a spherical standing wave around this central point in space - the wave center that forms the 'particle'. The spherical in and out waves are both necessarily connected to, and in continual two way communication with all other matter (waves) in the space around them. Matter is a wave structure of the universe. (The wave structure of matter (WSM) is explained in more detail in the physics section below.) To keep this as short as possible I have not included quotes from the philosophers and scientists that support these truth statements. Instead I have linked to the relevant pages where you will find the quotes and a summary of their ideas. I have separated the truth statements by subject - with an explanation at the end of each section. However, our minds are feeble and take time to adjust to new knowledge, you will find this much easier to understand with a second reading. The world around you does exist - the underlying foundations of this physical reality are simple once known - just space and its wave motions. The complications come from our mind, that our senses deceive us into seeing solid separate bodies when in fact there is nothing but waves in space.

Geoff Haselhurst
(February, 2010)

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/
Back to top Go down
C1
Admin
C1


Posts : 1611
Join date : 2009-10-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyWed 12 May 2010, 11:50 pm

I have never been able to get my head around the entire quantum physics discussion. But I'm certainly interested.

Do you know if there are any video depicting these spherical waves he is talking about, as I don't seem to be able to visualize them.

Also, is there a good documentary around that discussed Schrodinger,Wolff, Haselhurst, and the WSM theorists in simplistic terms?

I'd like to get to the point where I can understand the theories and how they're twisting them to their own advantage.

_________________
"For every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root."
David Thoreau (1817-1862)
anonymously email me by clicking here
Back to top Go down
https://wwws.forummotion.com
Clairvoyant




Posts : 241
Join date : 2009-11-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyFri 14 May 2010, 3:54 pm

I don't know of any good videos or documentaries unfortunately, I visualize the standing spherical waves as a sonar pattern moving out from a center point in a perfect circle or really a sphere if it was viewed in 3d space.

The difference between this theory and the mainstream theory is that mainstream quantum physics looks at "particles" as having properties of both a particle and a wave, this theory states that they are simply waves and there is no duality or confusion with how they act when you consider that they are simply waves.

There are also large pieces of quantum physics that mainstream physicists admit to not understanding (I don't think anyone would disagree that it is still a highly theoretical science), such as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and this theory claims to be able make sense of those irregularities.

It makes sense to me from a human perspective when you consider that the particle itself was only "discovered" theoretically and quantum physics is the science of trying to understand how these particles interact with each other. What they have been finding hasn't exactly lined up with how they thought a particle "should" act, so they say it has a duality nature where it will act like both a particle and a wave - only when they say "wave" they are comparing it to other waves, and when they say "particle" they are comparing it to a theoretical idea of a particle.

The wave structure of matter is really a simple view of quantum physics and really physics in general, however it is difficult to grasp because of assumptions humans have in regard to the world we live in. In classical physics the universe is a very complex place, you have vast areas of empty space, different forces such as gravity, magnetic, etc., and different types o objects - solids, liquids, gases, etc.

In the wave structure of matter theory, it is all simplified. What we consider to be empty space is actually the fabric or medium for all other things. Waves are traveling through this medium creating the complexity that we see as the universe. Instead of different forces that follow different rules, they are all they same (gravity, electromagnetic waves, light, etc.) they are all waves with varying degrees of amplitude and frequency. The idea of a particle would be the center point of these waves.

This goes against the idea that we have separate bodies in space with "nothing" between them - they would be connected, all things would be connected. Philosophical arguments of the mind being separate from reality, or able to exist independent of reality would become moot due to how everything is connected.

It does make me think that all life could be part of some greater consciousness, or linked together in a subconscious way.
Back to top Go down
Clairvoyant




Posts : 241
Join date : 2009-11-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyFri 14 May 2010, 7:32 pm

Check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uEvwxNJvE&feature=related
Back to top Go down
C1
Admin
C1


Posts : 1611
Join date : 2009-10-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyMon 17 May 2010, 11:10 am

Kraig wrote:
It does make me think that all life could be part of some greater consciousness, or linked together in a subconscious way.
I don't have enough knowledge about this topic to comment meaningfully, but this direction always makes me nervous. Let me just cut n paste a clip from some notes I have for your consideration. This is meant to provide you alternative insight about this direction of everything being connected.

"We're migrating from a spiritual framework of God working through the individual to a framework where a force acts upon us collectively and externally. This is part of the transition from the individual, as an image of the spirit which has primacy, to an external force where the individual is nothing more than a node in the collective, and the collective has primacy. This is why the transition to "New Age" paradigms, as its an essential element in the suppressing of individual human life. Albert Pike starts us down this road in his book, Morals & Dogma (pg 102)."

_________________
"For every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root."
David Thoreau (1817-1862)
anonymously email me by clicking here
Back to top Go down
https://wwws.forummotion.com
Clairvoyant




Posts : 241
Join date : 2009-11-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyMon 17 May 2010, 12:43 pm

Well it is just a thought I have, not much more. I do think this knowledge will fundamentally change humanity in a way that the current way of understanding quantum physics will be viewed in the same way that the idea that the world is flat is viewed now.

The flat earth theory is a really good example because it shows how a simple observation that turns into an assumption can be completely different than reality - yet even after knowing the truth, if you look at the horizon it still looks pretty flat.

When you have something like a desk, it of course seems like it is a solid object. So when you start studying the atoms that make up the desk, you would assume that the atoms themselves are also solid objects or have mass - because the desk does. That is why current quantum physics has it so wrong, that are going off of assumptions of what a solid object is and what empty space is. They are looking for an explanation of their assumptions rather than looking for what is really in front of them.

So now we have found out that the atoms that make up the desk, or the protons and electrons actually do not have mass. They are not solid objects, they are waves, signals, or energy - passing through what we thought was empty space, but it's really not so empty. So how is it that the desk feels like a solid object? At this point I have to think that it is our mind that allows us to perceive it as a solid object - for both the desk and our own mind and body are waves.

It also seems clear to me that I am not living in my own personal mind-simulation. There are rules that apply to all of us, limitations of this "physical" world. If it is my mind saying to me via my senses that my hand cannot pass through this desk, how is it that your mind has the same rules? It seems like there would have to be something controlling it from a bigger perspective, which is what I meant by a greater consciousness, or God, who knows.

As I said I don't know where this will lead, but I don't think it has to be a suppression of the individual, I actually see it as the opposite of that. We might be connected, but it is still clear that we are different people, living different experiences, and making different choices that lead to further differences of experience based on the choices we make. Society already is setup to where collective has primacy, that is what democracy is all about, which is also what the current propagandized understanding of "freedom" is all about, because of course you can't have freedom without democracy. Even outside of democracy, government in general is based on screwing the individual for the sake of some obscure idea of the greater good, or the collective. This is government ideology that dominates the world.

Having a collective isn't the same thing as having an existence that is necessarily connected because I think "collective" implies that you have completely separate individuals rounded up and turned into the collective. It implies that you have nodes to be sacrificed, and the collective can be okay or even better off because of their suffering. It is very important that the nodes are separated, becuase if they are not when you sacrifice one it could have a harmful effect on the others.

A connected existence wouldn't be the same thing, because you can't isolate anything, you can isolate a node and screw him over without it having some effect on everything else. You can't enslave and violate one region of people and then have a society that is paradise in another other because they are connected. You can't pollute the air and the earth and then lock it up in some kind of magical box or region and not have it effect everything else. You can't screw over an individual without it having some effect on your own individuality. I think this really applies to the USA because for decades they have been screwing over people in other countries while thinking they lived in the freest country in the world at the same time. Now as it turns out the consequences of that power are starting to make WWII Germany look like a cake walk in some ways when compared to the current USA.

That's just where my thinking has been going on this.
Back to top Go down
C1
Admin
C1


Posts : 1611
Join date : 2009-10-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyMon 17 May 2010, 2:49 pm

I think the thinking has merit and is certainly worthy of exploration. I just always want to make sure I'm asking myself how any particular pursuit could be a vector or usurped to become a vector.

I think with respect to the USA screwing over others, I really see that as the Oligarchs leveraging and using the assets of the USA in order to do this. Most Americans are oblivious to oppression caused by their actions. Heck, they think giving money to Clinton and Bush will actually help poor Haitians after the storm/earthquake (i forget what it was). The USA has been deliberately setup as the bad guy in the eyes of the international community, so that its destruction will largely be supported. I just want to be careful we separate the Oligarchical psychopaths and their goals from the assets that they cajole, corrupt, and leverage.

Right now, we have quite a few former Soviet apparatchiks here in the USA, being deployed in key positions, getting ready to enact the next phase. I see these members of the kleptocrats very differently than I view the public from the former Soviet states.

_________________
"For every thousand hacking at the leaves of evil, there is one striking at the root."
David Thoreau (1817-1862)
anonymously email me by clicking here
Back to top Go down
https://wwws.forummotion.com
Clairvoyant




Posts : 241
Join date : 2009-11-19

Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter EmptyMon 17 May 2010, 3:09 pm

They may be oblivious but there is also PLENTY of information out there to know what is going on or at least how evil our government is, then to make it worse they will turn on you if you try to tell them.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty
PostSubject: Re: Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter   Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Quantum mechanics: the wave structure of matter
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» New Global Governance Structure
» The quantum computer push

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWWS :: Main Forums :: Science & Technology-
Jump to: