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PostSubject: The Oil Spill   Mon 03 May 2010, 5:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Need I say more?

I still have my doubts about the Iceland eruption. Not the actual event but how they managed it. And now this. Reports range from the pipe rupturing when the rig toppled all the way to N Korea using torpedoes. I just saw and image showing the spill covering most of the gulf. That is of course if that is what's really happening. They can say anything, doctor maps, present eye witnesses, oil soaked birdies you name it to support their story. Seems to me they already cleared out LA pretty well after the levee breach. I've read woo woo stuff elsewhere predicting a huge diaspora that is to happen due to an event. Maybe they're going to give the gulf sates to China. Just thinking out loud...


The PTB never waste a crisis. We're in the problem phase now I've heard reports of SWAT teams on rigs (whatever that means) but I haven't seen much managing of the reaction other than soft shoeing the severity of the gusher in the media. I wonder if they'll EVER get this thing capped...

So folks, what will be the glorious overlord's solution to this one?
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 16 Jul 2010, 12:44 pm

Kraig wrote:
More than oil to worry about now?

"More information on the 42 million gallons of dispersant used in the Gulf"

"Previous reports
have put the amount of dispersants used at between 1-2 million gallons
(25,000-50,000 barrels)."

That is a fuck ton of chemicals to be dumping in the ocean.

Eloquently spoken (g)...
It is, in actuality, the Sword of Damocles hanging over us, right now

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Thu 22 Jul 2010, 2:16 pm

I'm still trying to figure out what skin Matt Simmons, CFR member and Big Oil shill has in the game.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Thu 22 Jul 2010, 3:08 pm

National Geographic explorer dies while diving


Veteran underwater photographer Wes Skiles, 52, died Wednesday on a diving project, the National Geographic Society confirms.

Skiles had left other divers to surface after he ran out of camera film while filming underwater. He was found on the bottom of a Florida reef by team members around 3 p.m. ET, near West Palm Beach, Fla., reports Ocala.com. He was later pronounced dead by the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office.

In statement, the society says:

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National Geographic has learned of the tragic death of Wes Skiles, the accomplished underwater photographer, cinematographer and explorer with whom we've worked frequently. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department is investigating the incident, which occurred following the conclusion of a scientific research expedition related to marine life off the east coast of Florida. Our thoughts are with Wes' family.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Thu 22 Jul 2010, 3:37 pm

incognito wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out what skin Matt Simmons, CFR member and Big Oil shill has in the game.
You know, when you listen to as little media as I do, this stuff sounds like a foreign language to me. It's just gibberish to me.

But I did read the following that was posted below the Youtube clip:

'If we have a Hurricane now, we need to EVACUATE the Gulf Coast.'
'It would cost AT LEAST / WELL OVER 1 Trillion Dollars' (To fix the Gulf Coast)

So, perhaps they're trying to expand the OP, get people to leave, so that they can create another "emergency" whereby they have an opportunity to usurp some more prime gulf coast land and dislocated millions away from their homes, families and income. What a great way to help instigate more chaos.

Then, they'll spend a Trillion by giving it to their buddies at Halliburton and the like, who of course will get all the clean-up work.

I hope I'm wrong. But this kind of stuff just needs to stop. For if I'm right, then it's just too evil.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Thu 22 Jul 2010, 3:56 pm

More ways for the government to launder their fiat dollars with the chosen few and pump up the economy. Then what to do with all the vacant land? there's something to that. The script from Katrina is so similar, they just didn't get it done last time around. Thanks for the analysis, C1.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Thu 22 Jul 2010, 4:21 pm

They seem to really want to own all the property on the Gulf. Many years ago i did travel to the Mississippi gulf and was astounded at how beautiful it was. I had no idea. And the people were great, and the food even better. So, I guess I can see how they want that coastal real estate.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 30 Jul 2010, 1:21 am


National Ocean Council

By Cassandra Anderson
July 28, 2010
Thirty states will be encroached upon by Obama's Executive
Order establishing the National Ocean Council for control over America's
oceans, coastlines and the Great Lakes. Under this new council,
states' coastal jurisdictions will be subject to the United Nations' Law
Of Sea Treaty (LOST) in this UN Agenda 21 program. America'a oceans
and coastlines will be broken into 9 regions that include the North
East, Mid-Atlantic, South Atlantic, the Gulf Coast, West Coast, the
Great Lakes, Alaska, the Pacific Islands (including Hawaii) and the

Because of the decades of difficulty that the collectivists have had
trying to ratify the Law Of Sea Treaty (LOST), Obama is sneaking it in
through the back door, by way of this Executive Order establishing the
Council. Because LOST is a treaty, Obama's Executive Order is not
Constitutional as treaty ratification requires 2/3 approval from the
Senate. Michael Shaw said that the Agenda 21 Convention on Biodiversity
treaty of 1992 failed to pass Congress so it was executed through soft
law and administratively on local levels, and Obama's Executive Order is
a similar soft law tactic to enact the LOST treaty.

In fact, our Constitutional form of government is being completely
destroyed because buried in the CLEAR Act (HR 3534) there is a provision
for a new council to oversee the outer continental shelf- it appears
that this Regional Outer Shelf Council will be part of the National
Ocean Council. This means that if Congress makes the CLEAR
into law, then the implementation of the UN Law Of Sea
Treaty, as part of the National Ocean Council's agenda, will be
"ratified" in a convoluted and stealth manner, in full opposition to the
Constitution and its intent.

The excuse for this extreme action is because of the emergency in the
Gulf of Mexico. Obama and Congress have always had the legal and
military power to force BP Oil to take all necessary action to stop the
gusher and clean the oil spew. While there is evidence that the
problems in the Gulf have been a result of collusion and planned
incompetence, it begs the question, why in world should America's oceans
and resources be controlled by Obama appointees?

John Holdren, Obama's science and technology advisor, is the
co-chairman of this new council. He is also a depopulation enthusiast
and advocates sterilization by way of using infertility drugs in water
and food as well as forced abortions which he describes in his book

Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Department of Interior, and its
subagency, MMS (Minerals
Management Service) has authority over offshore drilling and
responsibility for enforcing spill prevention measures. The Department
of Interior's BLM (Bureau of Land Management) is the entity that
controls federally managed land extending across 30% of America in 11
western states. Last week, Congressman Louie Gohmert said that Ken
Salazar personally prevented drilling on land in Utah, Wyoming and
Colorado, thereby also preventing energy independence. In addition, the
federal lands have been grossly mismanaged and present fire dangers.
The federal government is $3.7 billion in arrears for maintenance of the
federally managed lands.

US Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, by way of the US
Forestry Service and US Fish & Wildlife Service, has been complicit
in the decline of our country's food independence. For example, US Fish
& Wildlife (along with the Department of Commerce) shut the water
off in California using Endangered Species Act; it was later proven that
partially treated sewage was the primary culprit in killing the salmon
and delta smelt that was previously blamed on farmers. This is phony
environmentalism. The US Forestry Service has also misused the
Endangered Species Act to limit farmers and ranchers. Remember that the
USDA co-owns the Terminator Gene patent with Monsanto that makes seeds

Lisa Jackson is the EPA administrator who has threatened to impose 18,000
pages of new regulations
to curb global warming which is
based on lies, claiming that carbon dioxide is a danger to human health.

Department of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Department of
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano: it is unclear how these
two federal appointees will enhance environmental 'sustainability' over
oceans and coasts. Traditionally, national security threats (like the
War on Terror) have been used by the federal government to take control
of resources. For example, many years ago when the interstate highway
systems were first being built, the Feds got in on the action by
claiming that they were building a defense highway system, and they
encroached into an area that belonged to the states. Interestingly,
there were no overhead structures on highways originally because of the
Feds' claim that large missiles would be transported on these "defense"
highway systems.

Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, a leading globalist, is likely to
plunge our country into international entanglements and subjugation,
based on her past performance; an example is her support of the UN Small
Arms Treaty, which is contrary to the Constitution.
Department of Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Department of Commerce
Secretary Gary Locke are logical choices for this destructive council as
some of the planned funding for this program will come from permits and
leases (oil drilling leases, for example). These agencies will limit
America's energy independence.

to see the full list of the 24 member council.

Agenda 21 Sustainable Development is the overarching blueprint for
depopulationa and total control, and the National Ocean Council is
clearly an Agenda 21 program:

The National Ocean Council is headed by John Holdren, an avowed
eugenicist which is selective breeding through brutal means like forced
The National Ocean Counci's own report (Coastal
and Marine Spatial Planning,
pg. Cool incorporates a section
of the 1992 Rio Declaration which is an original UN Agenda 21 document!

In fact, the report says that it will be guided by the Rio
in cases "Where there are threats of serious or
irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be
used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent
environmental degradation." (pg. Cool This means that regulations will be
imposed even if the science is not understood or if the science is
based on global warming manipulated data.

The 3 primary tools of
Agenda 21's phony environmentalism are global warming, water shortages
and the Endangered Species Act; the National Ocean Council intends to
exploit all of these tools to their full extent.
The National Ocean Council's main objective is to sink
American sovereignty through the United Nations Law
Of Sea Treaty
(LOST) with the intended result of domination by
the UN
over our coasts and the Great Lakes. LOST
originated in the 1970s as a wealth redistribution plan to benefit Third
World countries. LOST sets rules for commercial activity beneath the
high seas and establishes new international bureaucracies and a tribunal
to interpret and apply rules to sea activity. And LOST can proceed
with those rules, even against US objections! LOST threatens to
complicate deep sea mining. LOST sets a precedent that US rights are
dependent upon the approval of international entities. LOST also
extends to ocean flowing rivers.

Michael Shaw pointed out that non-elected councils are increasingly
expanding their jurisdiction through air quality boards, water quality
boards, sewer systems, transportation districts, metropolitan planning,
etc. to gain control over resources. Often, large corporations and
financial interests form Public- Private Partnerships with the
government within these councils.
Breaking areas into regions and placing authority with non-elected
councils is a Communist
trick used to hijack resources, thereby usurping local and state
power by re-zoning the areas that do have Constitutional authority.
Appointed bureaucrats are untouchable because their jobs are not
dependent upon serving the voting population. And they are usually
inaccessible to the public and do not have to face those who are
affected by their "insider" decisions. When state and local governments
become corrupt, the public is able to confront them eye to eye, but
distant bureaucrats can avoid accountability. Regionalism is used as a
psychological tactic to intimidate state legislatures into creating the
system for a new political and economic order.

Obama's Executive Order that has created the 9 new regions amounts to
re-zoning, and his appointed bureaucrats are answerable only to him.
In David Horton's
in 1978 on regionalism, he said that the State
of Indiana made this declaration, "Neither the states nor Congress have
ever granted authority to any branch or agency of the federal government
to exercise regional control over the states." Horton further stated
that Congress holds all legislative power that is granted in the
Constitution, as opposed to Executive Orders that are not legislative.
Therefore, Obama's Executive Order for re-zoning and appointing a
governing body to usurp state and local power is Constitutionally

The public must become aware of state sovereignty and the Tenth
Amendment to demand that state and local governments assert these
Constitutional laws and principles.

This is a general overview of the new National Ocean Council's goals
based on its 32-page
report that uses indirect language and acronyms in order to confuse
the public and local lawmakers. Depopulation advocates, globalists
and collectivists, like John Holdren, faced opposition a few decades ago
when they clearly expressed their objectives, so now documents are
written in complicated and clouded language to fool those they wish to
This report states that the Council's jurisdiction will extend from
the continental shelf to the coast AND additional inland areas will be
involved. The National Ocean Council identifies "partners" as members
of each regional planning body that will include federal, state, local
and tribal authorities, with a top-down hierarchy of control.

The intentions of the Council are stated on page 8 of the report that
include implementing LOST and other international treaties. The report
also states that the Counci's plans shall be implemented by Executive
Orders, in addition to federal and state laws. This section mentions
'global climate change' which is a new term used as a substitute for
'man made global warming' after manipulated data and lies were exposed
in numerous global warming
. 'Climate change' is blamed for sea
level rise and acidification
of oceans; evidence exists that these are more global warming

The stated goals of the Council include regulating investments,
collaborating with unidentified international agencies, controlling
public access to oceans and "protecting" ecosystems. This means that
commerce and trade will be controlled by the Council, the UN will gain
power over American oceans and the Great Lakes through UN subagencies,
public access will be limited and the Endangered Species Act will be
unleashed, with heavy regulations. Incidentally, the Endangered
Species Act is based on 5 international treaties. It has never had a
successful result: of the 60 species that have been de-listed, not a
single species was saved as a result of any restrictions stemming from
the Endangered Species Act!

The targeted areas for Endangered Species Act regulations are the the
Great Lakes, the Gulf Coast, Chesapeake Bay, Puget Sound, South Florida
and the San Francisco Bay (the Bay Delta is where the irrigation water
for farmers was was cut off using the Endangered Species Act, causing
food shortages, an increase in food imports and massive economic

While this report does not clearly outline how the National Ocean
Council's schemes will be financed, regulatory permits for all activity
on the water and mining (oil) leases will play a part, along with tax
increases. The report does indicate that grants and assistance programs
will be available so that state, local and tribal authorities will
support the Council's "efforts". In other words, the Council will try
to buy off the state and local governments to "collectively use" them
for a base of support and influence. (pg. 28) Strings are always
attached to federal money. The federal government and the Council are
reliant on state and local governments for implementation through state
and local legal authority, which means that state and local authorities
hold the power to implement or refuse the Council's directives,
especially under the Tenth Amendment.

However, the report does state that disputes will be settled by
consensus, if consensus fails, then the decisions will ultimately be
made by the President. He is Commander in Chief of the Navy and has the
power of the military behind him. Further, the report indicates that
legislative changes and more Executive Orders may be necessary to
achieve control.

An important point is made on page 5, which states, "Strong
partnerships among Federal, State, tribal and local authorities, and
regional governance structures would be essential to a truly
forward-looking, comprehensive CMSP effort." This means that the
states, local governments and tribes have power. Our collectivist
government needs the consent of the state, local and tribal authorities,
to implement this scheme, otherwise, the feds wouldn't bother to
include these Constitutional authorities. If the state, local and
tribal authorities are aware of, and willing to act on their
Constitutional authority, then they can limit this federal power grab
through the Tenth Amendment.

The report further states that signing onto the Council's plan would
be an "express commitment by the partners to act in accordance with the
plan..." (pg. 20) Therefore, it is imperative that all of the states be
aware of the Council's intended usurpation and carefully protect their
Constitutional jurisdictions and sovereignty. There are 30 states that
will be affected by this new council. (pg. 12)

The Council's strategy plan will go into effect immediately, fully
developing Agenda 21 objectives and undue UN influence within 5 years.
Interestingly, one article said that if state, local and tribal
authorities choose not to participate in in writing the plans, the plans
would be written without them. Therefore, it bears repeating that
state and local governments must protect their Constitutional authority
when dealing with the Council. The Constitutional authority that states
and local governments have can only be taken if the power is given
If your freedom is important to you, the most effective action that
you can take is to e-mail this article and Michael Shaw's "Understanding
Agenda 21 Sustainable Development" booklet to all of your State
Legislators, County Commissioners/ Superintendents and City Council
Tell all of your friends, co-workers and neighbors about Agenda 21
Sustainable Development and how it is destroying our country. The
National Ocean Council is detrimental on so many levels and the time to
act is now. If state and local officials refuse to stand up against
this federal incursion, they must be thrown out of office in favor of
representatives who support the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment.

Be sure to check back with www.MorphCity.com on July 30th to watch a special
video presentation about how a local official stood up against
encroachment by the federal government.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 30 Jul 2010, 10:15 am

DAMN! My worst nightmares coming true ...
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Mon 09 Aug 2010, 11:28 am

Matt has left the building. Probably down to Paraguay.


Posted: 10:43 AM
Updated: 10:51 AM

Energy expert Simmons dies in North Haven

By Tux Turkeltturkel@mainetoday.com
Staff Writer

Matthew Simmons, an international oil expert
who most recently focused on developing renewable energy from the waters
off Maine, died Sunday night of an apparent heart attack, his office is
reporting. He was 67.Matthew Simmons was a leading energy investment banker, a former energy adviser to President George W. Bush, and author.

Simmons founded the
Ocean Energy Institute in 2007, hosting a grand opening of its new
office last month in Rockland. The goal of the think tank and venture
capital fund was to attract investment in research to make Maine a
global leader in offshore wind and other ocean energy sources.
to police reports, Simmons suffered a heart attack while in a hot tub
at his home on North Haven. An autopsy is planned for today in Augusta,
according to the Knox County Sheriff's Office.
Simmons was a
leading energy investment banker, a former energy adviser to President
George W. Bush, and author. He wrote the 2005 book “Twilight in the
Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy,” which laid
out an argument that the world was approaching peak oil production.
death came as a shock to colleagues at the Ocean Energy Institute,
which is preparing a statement for release later today.
The organization plans to continue his work, according to Bob West, the institute's managing director. "That's our goal, to carry his vision forward," he said. "Matt wanted it to continue and there's a process in place."
Maine officials were expressing their sympathies this morning.
John E. Baldacci had met with Simmons a number of times. The Ocean
Energy Institute is a part of the consortium led by the University of
Maine that has received millions of dollars from the federal government
to research and develop offshore wind turbines. Baldacci also recognized
Simmons’ leadership during his State of the State address delivered
earlier this year.
“Matt Simmons was an innovative thinker who
pushed ideas that have the potential to yield a more environmentally and
economically sustainable future for Maine and the world,” Baldacci
said. “I visited Matt and his team last month and thanked them for their
partnership with the state as we aggressively build an independent
energy future for Maine."
U.S. Rep. Chellie Pingree, D-Maine, also has a home on North Haven. "Matt
was a neighbor and a friend and the news of his passing is profoundly
sad," she said. "Matt was a visionary, a man of ideas and an outspoken
advocate for the things he believed in. He was dedicated to making Maine
a leader in offshore wind energy and made significant contributions to
life in the midcoast."
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Mon 09 Aug 2010, 2:07 pm

Yup, we have no idea what the heck is going on here. But certainly smells like a fear OP.

I watched "Eyes Wide Shut" again this weekend. It's really good to see that movie again with new insight and perspective. Really shows how the game is played.

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 13 Aug 2010, 6:36 pm

Obama mortgages the Gulf of Mexico to BP

By Patrick Martin


WSWS, August 12, 2010

In a deal that has sweeping, long-term implications for millions of
people living and working along the US Gulf Coast, the Obama
administration has agreed to base the payments by BP to the oil disaster
fund on the oil giant’s profits from its drilling operations in the

On Monday, BP made its first deposit into the disaster fund, which is
overseen by "claims czar" Kenneth Feinberg, while top executives visited
the White House to discuss the longer-term financial commitment. The
initial sum was $3 billion, with another $2 billion to be paid during
the fourth quarter of 2010. Thereafter, BP will deposit $1.25 billion
each quarter for the next three years, bringing the total up to its
original pledge of $20 billion

The company’s CEO, Robert Dudley, and Lamar McKay, a top US executive
for BP, met Monday at the White House with chief of staff Rahm Emanuel,
retired admiral Thad Allen, who headed the government disaster response,
and other administration officials.

A White House statement declared that the Obama aides "impressed upon BP
the importance of living up to their commitment to long term recovery,
and underscored that the administration will remain vigilant in ensuring
that promise is met."

The actual nature of the Obama-BP talks, however, is better demonstrated
by the 40-page agreement whose text was released by the White House
late Wednesday afternoon.

After depositing the first $3 billion into the fund, BP must provide
collateral to guarantee the remaining $17 billion it has pledged to
deposit over the next three and a half years. BP initially claimed that
no such collateral was necessary, because it will be able to make the
payments from operating cash flow and sales of selected corporate

BP will give as security "interests in production payments pertaining to
the [company’s] U.S. oil and natural gas production," the bulk of which
is located in the Gulf of Mexico.

The escrow fund will be on deposit with Citibank, which is the corporate
trustee. Two individual trustees were also named, retired federal judge
John S. Martin Jr. and Kent D. Syverud, dean of Washington University
Law School in St. Louis.

Political figures in both big business parties played a role in the
talks. BP hired a prominent Democrat on Wall Street, former Clinton
administration Treasury deputy secretary Roger Altman, to advise it on
the revenue for escrow trade-off.

In response to complaints from Republican Senator David Vitter that
local capitalists would be shut out of the financial rewards from
servicing the trust fund, the checks issued by the fund can be cashed
without charge at Whitney National Bank, a New Orleans financial
institution with 160 branches along the Gulf coast. Whitney will be
recompensed by the fund.

Commenting on the Obama-BP talks as they were coming to a head, the Wall
Street Journal noted Monday that an agreement tying the escrow fund to
production revenues "would give both sides an incentive to continue
production in the Gulf, scene of the U.S.’s worst-ever offshore oil

The consumer lobby Public Citizen took note of the same fact. Its
director, Tyson Slocum, said in a statement that securing the
compensation fund with drilling revenue "is wildly inappropriate, as it
will make the government and BP virtual partners in Gulf oil production.
... It will give the government a financial incentive to become an even
bigger booster of offshore oil drilling in the Gulf."

BP operates 89 producing wells in the Gulf of Mexico and owns a stake in
60 Gulf wells operated by other oil companies. The combined BP
production from all 149 wells is about 400,000 barrels a day, worth $32
million a day, or $11.6 billion a year, at a market price of $80 a
barrel. The Gulf accounts for 10 percent of BP’s worldwide production.

Such figures demonstrate how tiny, relative to BP’s assets, the $20
billion commitment to the Gulf really is. BP collects that much revenue
worldwide every two months. Two years of Gulf oil revenue alone would
pay the full cost of the disaster fund.

Tying the disaster fund directly to Gulf oil revenue has obvious
political advantages for the company, as the Journal pointed out,
"because it could make the administration and BP partners of sorts in
developing the Gulf." It would forestall measures such as the bill
passed by the House of Representatives last month effectively banning BP
from new offshore drilling in the Gulf, because such a move would then
threaten the stream of revenue for the disaster fund.

Such a move would coincide with the purposes of the Obama
administration, whose main concern since the Deepwater Horizon disaster
began with an explosion that killed 11 oil-rig workers April 20 has been
to preserve the profitability and viability of BP. The White House
never considered commandeering the assets of the corporate criminal,
instead allowing BP to retain control of the disaster site through a
series of failed attempts to shut down the oil leak. It has persistently
downplayed the possibility of prosecution of any executives from BP or
its partners in the well.

Meanwhile a senior BP official, chief operating officer Doug Suttles,
told the Associated Press that BP’s oil production in the Gulf of Mexico
could involve drilling again in the area immediately adjacent to the
capped Deepwater Horizon well. "There’s lots of oil and gas here,"
Suttles said, "We’re going to have to think about what to do with that
at some point."


Brilliant! Another successful psyop in the bag. Geez I hate getting pwned.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 13 Aug 2010, 9:38 pm

So wait, this was just a mafia-type deal, cause some peeps in DC wanted a cut of the profits? That's all this was about?
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PostSubject: Uncovering the Lies = Sinking the Oil   Mon 16 Aug 2010, 8:36 pm

Uncovering the Lies = Sinking the Oil
Monday 16 August 2010
by: Dahr Jamail and Erika Blumenfeld, t r u t h o u t | Report


James "Catfish" Miller, Mississippi commercial fisherman-turned-whistleblower. (Photo: Erika Blumenfeld © 2010)

The rampant use of toxic dispersants, out-of-state private contractors being brought in to spray them and US Coast Guard complicity are common stories now in the four states most affected by BP's Gulf of Mexico oil disaster.

Commercial and charter fishermen, residents and members of BP's Vessels Of Opportunity (VOO) program in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana have spoken with Truthout about their witnessing all of these incidents.

Toxic Dispersants Found on Recently Opened Mississippi Shrimping and Oyster Grounds

On Monday, August 9, the Director of the State of Mississippi Department of Marine Resources (DMR), Bill Walker, despite ongoing reports of tar balls, oil and dispersants being found in Mississippi waters, declared, "there should be no new threats" and issued an order for all local coast governments to halt ongoing oil disaster work being funded by BP money that was granted to the state.

BP had allocated $25 million to Mississippi for local government disaster work. As of August 9, Walker estimated that only about $500,000 worth of invoices for oil response work had been submitted to the state. Nobody knows what the rest of the money will be used for.

Recent days in Mississippi waters found fishermen and scientists finding oil in Garden Pond on Horn Island, massive fish kills near Cat Island, "black water" in Mississippi Sound and submerged oil in Pass Christian.
Boom inside Pass Christian Harbor

Boom inside Pass Christian Harbor. (Photo: Erika Blumenfeld © 2010)

Mississippi residents and fishermen Truthout spoke with believe Walker's move was from an order given by Gov. Haley Barbour, who has been heavily criticized over the years for his lobbying on behalf of the Tobacco and Oil industries.

Two days after Walker's announcement and in response to claims from state and federal officials that Gulf Coast waters are safe and clean, fishermen took their own samples from the waters off of Pass Christian in Mississippi.

The samples were taken in water that is now open for shrimping, as well as from waters directly over Mississippi's oyster bed, that will likely open in September for fishing.

Commercial fisherman James "Catfish" Miller, took fishermen Danny Ross Jr. and Mark Stewart, along with scientist Dr. Ed Cake of Gulf Environmental Associates and others out and they found the fishing grounds to be contaminated with oil and dispersants.

Their method was simple - they tied an absorbent rag to a weighted hook, dropped it overboard for a short duration of time, then pulled it up to find the results. The rags were covered in a brown, oily substance that the fishermen identified as a mix of BP's crude oil and toxic dispersants.

Shortly thereafter, Catfish Miller took the samples to a community meeting in nearby D'Iberville to show fishermen and families. At the meeting, fishermen unanimously supported a petition calling for the firing of Dr. Walker, the head of Mississippi's DMR, who is responsible for opening the fishing grounds.

Dr. Cake wrote of the experience: "When the vessel was stopped for sampling, small, 0.5- to 1.0-inch-diameter bubbles would periodically rise to the surface and shortly thereafter they would pop leaving a small oil sheen. According to the fishermen, several of BP's Vessels-of-Opportunity (Carolina Skiffs with tanks of dispersants [Corexit]) were hand spraying in Mississippi Sound off the Pass Christian Harbor in prior days/nights. It appears to this observer that the dispersants are still in the area and are continuing to react with oil in the waters off Pass Christian Harbor."

Ongoing Contamination and the Carolina Skiffs

On August 13, Truthout visited Pass Christian Harbor in Mississippi. Oil sheen was present, the vapors of which could be smelled, causing our eyes to burn. Many ropes that tied boats to the dock were oiled and much of the water covered with oil sheen.
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A resident, who has a yacht in the harbor, spoke with Truthout on condition of anonymity due to fears of reprisal from BP. "Last week we were sitting on our boat and you could smell the chemicals," he explained. "It smelt like death. It was like mosquito spray, but ten times stronger. The next day I was hoarse and my lungs felt like I'd been in a smoky bar the night before."

Oil boom was present throughout much of the harbor. Despite this, fishermen, obviously trusting Mr. Miller's announcement about the fishing waters being clear of oil and dispersant, were trying to catch fish from their boat inside the harbor.
Boats in harbor.

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"Last week oil filled this harbor," the man, an ex-commercial fisherman added. "BP has bought off all our government officials, and shut them up. You can't say the oil is gone, it's right here! Them saying it's not here is a bunch of bullshit."

Truthout spoke with another man, who was recently laid off from the VOO program. He also spoke on condition of anonymity. "Just the other day one of the Carolina Skiffs passed us spraying something," he said. "We went west instead of east as we turned and a group of Carolina Skiffs was spraying something over the water."

A Carolina Skiff is a type of boat, usually between 13' and 30' long, very versatile and can function well in shallow or deep waters. They are known for having a large payload capacity and a lot of interior space.

Alarmed by what he saw, the former VOO worker called the Coast Guard to report what he believed was a private contractor company spraying dispersants. "We were later told by the Coast Guard they'd investigated the incident and told us what we saw were vacuum boats sucking oil, and they were rinsing their tanks," he said. "But we know this is a lie and that BP is using these out of state contractors to come in and spray the dispersant at night and they are using planes to drop it as well."

He worked in the VOO program looking for oil. When his team would find oil, upon reporting it, they would consistently be sent away without explanation or the opportunity to clean it. "They made us abort these missions," he said. "Two days ago I put out boom in a bunch of oil for five minutes, they told me to abort the mission, so I pulled up boom soaked in oil. What the hell are we doing out there if they won't let us work to clean up the oil?"

He told Truthout that as his and other VOO teams would be going out to work on the water in the morning, they would pass the out-of-state contractors in Carolina Skiffs coming in from what he believed to be a covert spraying of the oil with dispersant in order to sink it. He believes this was done to deliberately prevent the VOO teams from finding and collecting oil. By doing so, BP's liability would be lessened since the oil giant will be fined for the amount of oil collected.

"BP brings in the Carolina Skiffs to spray the dispersant at night," he added, "And they are not accountable to the Coast Guard."

James Miller, who had taken the group out into the Mississippi Sound that found the oil/dispersants on August 11, told Truthout that the Carolina Skiff teams spraying dispersants were "common" and that it "happened all the time."

Miller, who was in the VOO, is an eyewitness to planes spraying dispersants, as well as the Carolina Skiff crews doing the same.
"We'd roll up on a patch of oil ½ mile wide by one mile long and they'd hold us off from cleaning it up," Miller, speaking with Truthout at his home in D'Iberville, Mississippi, said. "We'd leave and the Carolina Skiffs would pull up and start spraying dispersants on the oil. The guys doing the spraying would wear respirators and safety glasses. Their boats have 375 gallon white drums full of the stuff and they could spray it out 150 feet. The next day there'd be the white foam that's always there after they hit the oil with dispersants."

Some nights VOO crews would sleep out near the work sites. "We'd sleep out there and some nights the planes would come in so close the noise would wake us from a dead sleep," Miller added. "Again, we'd call in the oiled areas during the day and at night the planes would come in and hit the hell out of it with dispersants. That was the drill. We'd spot it and report it. They'd call us off it and send guys out in the skiffs or planes to sink it."

Mark Stewart, from Ocean Springs, Mississippi, was in the VOO program for 70 days before being laid off on August 2. The last weeks has seen BP decreasing the number of response workers from around 45,000 down to around 30,000. The number is decreasing by the day.

Stewart, a third generation commercial fisherman, told Truthout he had regularly seen "purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field" and "tar balls as big as a car." He, like Miller, is an eyewitness to planes dispensing dispersant at night, as well as the Carolina Skiff crews spraying dispersant. "I worked out off the barrier islands of Mississippi," Stewart said. "They would relentlessly carpet bomb the oil we found with dispersants, day and night."

Stewart, echoing what VOO employees across the Gulf Coast are saying, told Truthout his crew would regularly find oil, report it, be sent away, then either watch as planes or Carolina Skiffs would arrive to apply dispersants, or come back the next day to find the white foamy emulsified oil remnant that is left on the surface after oil has been hit with dispersants.

Stewart added, "Whenever government people, state or federal, would be flying over us, we'd be instructed to put out all our boom and start skimming, acting like we were gathering oil, even when we weren't in the oil."

While acting as whistleblowers, Miller and Stewart have both been accused of being "troublemakers" and "liars" by persons in the Mississippi government and some of their local media, in spite of the fact that they are doing so from deep concern for their fellow fisherman and the environment.

Meanwhile, both men told Truthout they live with chronic headaches and other symptoms they've been experiencing since they were exposed to toxic dispersants while in the VOO program. Recent trips to investigate their waters for oil and dispersant have worsened their symptoms.
Mark Stewart with James Miller.

Mark Stewart with James Miller. (Photo: Erika Blumenfeld © 2010)

"Why would we lie about oil and dispersant in our waters, when our livelihoods depend on our being able to fish here?" Miller asked. "I want this to be cleaned up so we can get back to how we used to live, but it doesn't make sense for us or anyone else to fish if our waters are toxified. I don't know why people are angry at us for speaking the truth. We're not the ones who put the oil in the water."

Miller is bleak about his assessment of the situation. He pointed out toward the coast and said, "Everything is dead out there. The plankton is dead. We pulled up loads of dead plankton on our trip on Wednesday. There are very few birds. We saw only a few when there are usually thousands. We only saw two porpoises when there are usually countless. We saw nothing but death."

Coast Guard Complicity

"Lockheed Martin aircraft, including C-130s and P-3s, have been deployed to the Gulf region by the Air Force, Coast Guard and other government customers to perform a variety of tasks, such as monitoring, mapping and dispersant spraying," states a newsletter published in July by Lockheed Martin.

An article by the 910th Airlift Wing Public Affairs Office, based in Youngstown, Ohio, states that C-130H Hercules aircraft started aerial spray operations Saturday, May 1, under the direction of the president of the United States and secretary of defense. "The objective of the aerial spray operation is to neutralize the oil spill with oil dispersing agents," it says.

Joseph Yerkes, along with other Florida commercial fishermen and Florida residents, have seen C-130s spraying dispersants on oil floating off the coast of Florida numerous times.

But the Coast Guard denies it.

At a VOO meeting in Destin on August 3, Lt. Cmdr. Dale Vogelsang, a liaison officer with the United States Coast Guard said, "I can state, there is no dispersant being used in Florida waters."

The room, filled mostly with commercial fishermen, who were current or former members in BP's VOO program, erupted in protest and disbelief. When Vogelsang was immediately challenged on his statement, he replied, "I'll investigate the C-130s."

Two BP representatives, along with Vogelsang, found themselves confronted by a large group of angry fishermen for over an hour. At times, the meeting resembled a riot more than the question-and-answer session it was intended to be.

Yerkes, who lives on Okaloosa Island, has been a commercial fisherman and boat captain most of his life. For the last 12 years, he has owned and operated a commercial live bait business.

Employed by BP as a VOO operator for more than two months, Yerkes, along with many other local commercial fishermen in the VOO program in his area were laid off on July 20 because BP and the Coast Guard believed there was no more "recoverable oil" in their area of Florida. Yet residents, fishermen, swimmers, divers and surfers in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana have been reporting oil floating atop water, sitting on the bottom and floating in the water column, in oftentimes great amounts, for the last two weeks. There have been many reports of various kinds of aircraft, including C-130s, dispensing dispersants over oil.

Yerkes provided Truthout with a letter he wrote to document his witnessing a C-130 spraying what he believes to be dispersant.
"I witnessed [from my home] a C130 military plane flying and obviously spraying" over the Gulf of Mexico on July 30, "flying from the north to the south, dropping to low levels of elevation then obviously spraying or releasing an unknown substance from the rear of the plane. This substance started leaving the plane when it was about ½ to 1 mile offshore, with a continuous stream following out of the plane until it was out of sight flying to the south."

The substance, Yerkes wrote, "was not smoke, for the residue fell to the water, where smoke would have lingered." He added, "this plane was very low near the water and the flight was very similar to viewings I made over the past few weeks when dispersants were sprayed over the Gulf near our area."

A member of the VOO program provided relevant information of a "strange incident" on condition of anonymity. He was observing wildlife offshore the same day Yerkes witnessed the C-130 when he received a call from his supervisor. He told his supervisor he and his crewmember were not feeling well, so he was instructed to return in order "to get checked out because a plane had been reported in our area spraying a substance on the water about 10-20 minutes before." The employee complained of having a terrible headache and nasal congestion while his crewmember said he had a metallic taste in his mouth.

After filling out an incident report, both men were directed to go to the hospital. The following day the two men were "asked to go to the hospital for blood tests."

One week after the aforementioned meeting, The Destin Log quoted Vogelsang as saying he had contacted Unified Command who "confirmed" that dispersants were not being used in Florida waters. Vogelsang added, "Dispersants are only being used over the wellhead in Louisiana," a statement that Truthout has heard refuted by dozens of commercial fishermen from Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.

Yerkes told Truthout that he, too, was aware of the Carolina Skiffs coming in from out of state to dispense dispersants over the oil. In the recent VOO meeting in Destin, Vogelsang was asked about the out-of-state contractors being brought in to work in Florida waters. He replied, "The only vessels we are using in the program are local, vetted vessels."

His response caused an uproar of protest from the crowd, with various fishermen and VOO workers yelling that Carolina Skiffs were being brought in from out of state. To this, Vogelsang responded, "Vessels that are from out of the area are contractors with special skills."

Vogelsang went on to claim that the amount of "product" [oil] being found in Florida is decreasing daily. This, too, caused an uproar from the room full of fishermen.

"I can take anybody in here out and show them oil, every single day," David White, a local fishing charter captain responded. "I was in the VOO program, driving around calling in oil, telling them where it is and nobody ever came. I never saw any skimmers there and I'm talking about some serious oil. I can show you tar balls going across the bottom like tumbleweeds."

Yerkes provided Truthout with a written statement from Lawrence Byrd, a local boat captain who was a task force leader in the VOO program from June 4 to July 21. On July 27 and 28, Byrd took BP officials, Coast Guard officials and an EPA official on a fact finding mission in search of oil.

"The Coast Guard told us if we could show them the oil, they'd put us back to work," Yerkes told Truthout, "So Byrd took him, and other officials out on his boat and showed them the oil."

Byrd's statement contains many instances of the group encountering oil on the trips:

"Within 30 minutes in the Rocky Bayou and Boggy Bayou we found 4 different football field sized areas of oily sheen on the water ... We moved east from there in search of weathered oil, just past Mid Bay bridge we found a 2 acre oil slick with a water bottle full of crude oil. At this time the Coast Guard Lt. had seen enough to warrant a 2nd trip with BP officials and EPA."

The next day, July 28, Byrd wrote:

"On board were BP officials, a Parson official, 2 Coast Guard Lts and EPA. First stop Crab Island Destin where we found tar balls, dead fish and plenty of dead sargasm grass. All officials seemed very concerned about all of our findings."

The report goes on to list further oil findings and added, "In the eyes of BP officials, Coast Guard Lts. and EPA, this was more than enough oil product to warrant the need for more VOO boats to serve as a first line of defense against this toxic pollution. To this day Destin VOO is still operating with ½ task force in the bay and ½ task force in Gulf with Walton County being completely unprotected! I feel all parties have good intentions but nothing is being done!"

"Somebody is stopping that process," Yerkes told Truthout. "[Retired Coast Guard Adm.] Thad Allen stood up at Tyndall Air Force Base the same night that they sprayed dispersant on the oil in front of Destin and he said we are going to use local fishermen in each local area to do the jobs, even beyond the cleaning of the oil. The day after he said that at Tyndall ... every one of the Carolina skiffs is loaded to the hilt with boom. Nobody else got reactivated."

Yerkes expressed his frustration further. "They are lying about this whole thing and it's got me in an uproar," he said. "I'm by myself. I'm the only one willing to stand up. I have a lot of friends who want to stand up and speak out. They know the Coast Guard and BP are lying, but they won't talk because they are getting paychecks and don't want to jeopardize that. They are saying they are finding new oil all the time, but the Coast Guard claims they are testing it and saying it's safe. I know for a fact they are not testing it and we watched and heard C130s fly every night in July."

There is a clear pattern that VOO workers in all four states are consistently reporting:

* VOO workers identify the oil.
* They are then sent elsewhere by someone higher up the chain of command.
* Dispersants are later applied by out-of-state contractors in Carolina Skiffs (usually at night), or aircraft are used, in order to sink the oil.
* The oil "appears" gone and, therefore, no additional action is taken.

"There are surfers coming in with oil on them," Yerkes continued, "There are divers telling us it's on the bottom. We have VOO workers coming in after finding oil three inches thick atop the water as of last week and they go back out there and it's gone."

"There are stories of people getting notes on their cars, verbal and phone threats. I don't want to become one of those people. I'm trying to heighten my profile so they don't want to mess with me," Yerkes added. "I want the truth to come out so the public knows. I'm trying to make BP and the government come out and tell the facts instead of lying to the public about what is going on. I want to know how much dispersants they are using, where all the oil is and the effects these are having on all of us. Somebody is lying and we want the truth."

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 4:17 am

They Live wrote:
So wait, this was just a mafia-type deal, cause some peeps in DC wanted a cut of the profits? That's all this was about?

Diverting BPs money pipeline to the banks just gives those scoundrels more to cover their losses with. I still feel it has an agenda 21 endgame.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 10:42 am

I agree with you, Incognito.
Unfortunately, I think what's waiting in the wings for the Gulf Coast is a great catastrophe--the release of all that dispersant, at the calculated strategic moment, as toxic rain, probably via the next hurricane.

That is what they are waiting for, IMO.--
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 1:59 pm

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I agree with you, Incognito.
Unfortunately, I think what's waiting in the wings for the Gulf Coast is a great catastrophe--the release of all that dispersant, at the calculated strategic moment, as toxic rain, probably via the next hurricane.

That is what they are waiting for, IMO.--

Thanks, Explorer!

Hey have you been following the Russian Fires?
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 3:23 pm

Um, no --

What be they???

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 3:36 pm

I'll start another thread...
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Sat 28 Aug 2010, 10:11 am

incognito wrote:


Of course! Because (as IP would say) THERE IS NO CONGRESS.
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Sat 28 Aug 2010, 12:42 pm

Exactly. The beat goes on...

Where's that meteor when you need it?
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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Sun 29 Aug 2010, 3:37 am

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Yeah a big one. To land on DC.
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PostSubject: BP Oil Spill Stalls Gulf Loop Current   Wed 01 Sep 2010, 11:13 am

BP Oil Spill Stalls Gulf Loop Current
Global Consequences if Current Fails to Reorganize

YOWUSA.COM, 01-August-10
Updated 02-August-2010 [/b]
Marshall Masters


Oceanographic satellite data now shows that the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico has stalled as a consequence of the BP oil spill disaster. This according to Dr. Gianluigi Zangari, an Italian theoretical physicist, and major complex and chaotic systems analyst at the Frascati National Laboratories in Italy.

He further notes that the effects of this stall have also begun to spread to the Gulf Stream. This is because the Loop Current is a crucial element of the Gulf Stream itself and why it is commonly referred to as the “main engine” of the Stream.
The concern now, is whether or not natural processes can re-establish the stalled Loop Current. If not, we could begin to see global crop failures as early as 2011.

An Open System in Trouble

The Loop Current is a clockwise flow that extends northward into the Gulf of Mexico and joins the Yucatan Current and the Florida Current to the Gulf Stream.

Although at first glance the Loop Current appears confined within the Gulf, scientists define it as an “element of an extremely complex, open system”: as all other “elements” of the so-called “Earth System”, are not separable from the others.

These various “elements” of the Earth System (i.e., atmosphere, landmasses and so forth) are so strongly correlated to one another that at some point, they become indivisible.

Why is this important to all life on the planet? The Gulf Stream is a strong interlinked component of the Earth's global network of ocean conveyor currents, which drive the planet's weather systems.

For this reason, Zangari's concern is that should the Loop Current fail to restart, dire global consequences may ensue as a result of extreme weather changes and many other critical phenomena. The repercussions of which could trigger widespread droughts, floods, crop failures and subsequent global food shortages.

While pundits are certain to trivialize the ramifications of this event, “the real worry” says Zangari, “is that that there is no historical precedent for the sudden replacement of a natural system, with a dysfunctional man-made system. That is, except for the atomic bomb blasts and contamination as a result of nuclear waste and nuclear plant accidents, such as the April 1986, Chernobyl disaster."

In what is now widely regarded by many as “Oil's Chernobyl,” Americans, and particularly Gulf Coast residents are disheartened by a steady stream of bureaucratically bungled responses, which are now proving to be just as a deadly as the initial event itself.

Perhaps even more so, as this toxic brew of incompetence, greed, corruption, oil, Corexit dispersant and other chemicals has unleashed a man-made disaster in the Gulf, with frightful possibilities for the future.

The Corexit Curse]

The use of Corexit as a dispersant was first brought to the public's attention during the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

A powerful solvent used as a dispersant for oil slicks, public knowledge about the dispersant and its long-term effects is hampered by the proprietary protections of its manufacturer, Nalco Holding Company, which is associated with British Petroleum (BP) and Exxon.

What is known, is that this petroleum-based formula is regarded as being at least four times more toxic to life, than the oil is disperses by many environmentalists.

Approximately 1.8 to 2 million gallons of Corexit have been spayed in the Gulf of Mexico. This is a critical fact as current satellite data of the Gulf feeds, tell Zangari that the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico has clearly stalled. This due to environmental impacts from a man-made introduction of oil, which were then compounded by other agents (Corexit and so on).

Worse yet, these real-time satellite data feeds offers clear evidence to Zangari that a new artificial system has been generated in the Gulf in a remarkably short period of time. It is this new and unnatural system which has changed the viscosity, temperature and salinity of the Gulf's seawater, thereby causing the Loop Current to stall. A system that has existed for millions of years.

Consequently, there is no possible way for scientists to predict its future evolution, though corporate spinmeisters and media pundits will no doubt be sure to offer a bevy of right-sounding predictions. Their goal as it has been throughout this ordeal, will be to deflect attention by trivializing the severity of the event with simplistic and misleading explanations.

However, researchers like Dr. Gianluigi Zangari, offer insights that transcend the politics of oil.

As a theoretical physicist, he currently holds a position as an associate member of the Research Division of the National Institute of Nuclear Physics at Frascati National Laboratories (LNF) of the National Institute of Nuclear Physics (INFN) in Italy. A prestigious research facility focused on high-energy physics.

However, what makes Dr. Gianluigi Zangari's findings so vital to the common man, is that for over a decade, he has conducted his continuous global analysis climate research, using publicly available data. Unlike the jealously guarded formulas for Corexit, anyone can vet his research without having to run through a gauntlet of corporate lawyers.

Zangari's assessment is based on daily monitoring of real-time data oceanographic satellite public data feeds called “Real-Time Mesoscale Altimetry” from the Jason, Topex/Poseidon, Geosat, Follow-On, ERS-2 and Envisat satellites.

These satellite feeds are captured and made publicly available by NASA, NOAA and by the Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research (CCAR) at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

These CCAR data maps offer researchers like Zangari a continuous stream of markers for sea and ocean dynamics: surface height, velocity, temperature. A fourth marker that Zangari has found to be especially helpful, are chlorophyll infrared emission maps. This is because they show him real-time changes in the shape of the Gulf Stream.

In addition to changes in ocean velocity, Zangari is reporting an equally troubling analysis with sea surface temperatures. The data published by Rutgers University is from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) data maps. Dr. Zangari re-elaborates and checks these data maps using his own calculus system called SHT (patented in 1999.)

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PostSubject: Re: The Oil Spill   Fri 31 Dec 2010, 1:07 pm


This is what is called a News Blackout folks -

Is not the power of the press NOT TO REPORT...awesome?? We are living in a calm that is totally delusionary, because no one reports that the Gulf Stream with all its interconnected systems - including the North Atlantic Drift -has become non-operational. IOW, we are looking at an approaching "mini Ice Age" according to those experts, like Dr. Zangari, who have not been willing to be silenced.

I will post a youtube video shortly.

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