Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics
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Subject: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Mon 22 Mar 2010, 10:53 am
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Tue 23 Mar 2010, 9:54 pm
I just listened to these today. Good find. I am going to try to convert these to MP3 from youtube to listen in the auto. If I do I will post in here and can email them to whomever PMs me.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 10:45 am
Great deal!
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 1:41 pm
Obama's Republican Class War (aka. Clinton's 5th Term) Michael Hudson
Guns and Butter Wednesday, 03 February 2010
"Obama's Republican Class War Presidency" with financial economist, Michael Hudson, on Obama's State of the Union Speech and its economic consequences. The reappointment Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke.
Blocking Consumer Financial Protection Agency
Pushed Bernanke's reappointment
Hampering Glass/Steagle reenactment: Most problems arise from Clinton's repeal of Glass/Steagel, separating consumer from investment banking.
Supporting Malthusian trickle down philosophy, coming down on side of FIRE economy predators, rather than production & consumption economy (bottom 90%).
Hired same advisers that deindustrialized Russia, bankrupting that country
Saving the bubble economy, not saving industry or jobs
Left-wing media silent. WSJ has been only one exposing fraud.
Freezing all but DOD & HFS spending - over time realizes that right wing will become constituency.
Congressional Research Service: In 1979 richest 1% had 37% of Revenue from Wealth. This increased to 57% in 2004.
Public can walk way from underwater mortgages, and should do so.
http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson02012010.html "Obama's Junk Economics" http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson02022010.html "The Bernanke Disaster" http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson02172009.html "The Oligarch's Escape Plan" http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson03272009.html "How the Scam Works"
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 2:26 pm
Here are the MP3's for download
Obama's Republican Class War Presidency Guns and Butter Wednesday, 03 February 2010 Download MP3
With financial economist, Michael Hudson, on Obama's State of the Union Speech and its economic consequences. The reappointment Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke.
The New Junk Economics: From Democracy to Neoliberal Oligarchy Guns and Butter Wednesday, 10 February 2010 Download MP3
Another terrific show with financial economist and historian, Dr. Michael Hudson. We discuss the Federal Reserve; money as debt; Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's misconception of the causes of the great depression of the 1930's; classical political economy versus anti-classical, so-called "neoclassical", economics; the labor theory of value; the dollar carry trade; government deficit spending; Greece.
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Subject: Michael Hudson - Video Archive Wed 24 Mar 2010, 5:02 pm
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 5:06 pm
All of classical economics was on the labor theory of value and the rent theory of pricing.
The ideal of classical economics was to bring prices down to the actual cost of production by financing the government budget essentially by taxing the economic rent.
The ideal from John Stuart Mill through Henry George, Thorstein Veblen and the entire progressive era in the United States was to base tax system on economic rent, on income earned without any enterprise, without any cost of production, to get the excess of rental value over and above the actual cost of reviving housing and office buildings, to tax monopoly rent, to tax broadcasting spectrum, to tax mining, to tax everything where the income was really created as an excess charge to what was provided by nature.
If the American tax system for the last 50-20 years had been based on taxing the property as it used to be then property prices would not have gone up.
If you had taxed the entire rental value of the property, the value of land distinct from the value of building, then you would have the government tax system keeping down the price of property to its actual value and you would not have had tax on labor as an income tax, you would not have had sales tax, you would not have had social security and health care tax.
The economic rent being an income without cost of production absorbs about 33-35% of the American economy. You no longer have national income statistics making that clear. They conflate rent with earnings and profit so you look at the national income and product accounts and when you look at the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) you have their rental income simply counted as earnings.
You can dis-aggregate these earnings into profits on building and the rent from the land simply by going to the Fed and making a distinction between the value of land and the value of buildings. You find that land represents over 50% of the actual value of real estate property.
If the income tax system had fallen on this economic rent and had returned to the FIRE sector then you would not have to tax labor at all. You would have the lowest priced labor in the world.
COMMENTS
Michael Hudson mentioned the concept of rental income as the important element of Gross Domestic Product.
Economic rent (WikiWisdom) is defined as an excess distribution to any factor in a production process above the amount required to draw the factor into the process or to sustain the current use of the factor.
Classical factor rent is primarily concerned with the fee paid for the use of fixed (e.g. natural) resources. The classical definition is expressed as any excess payment above that required to induce or provide for production.
"A payment for the services of an economic resource which is not necessary as an incentive for its production"
"Any payment that does not affect the supply of the input"
"A payment to any factor in perfectly inelastic supply"
And ideological definition from a website engaged in promoting neoliberal superstition (the Economist, link):
RENT
Confusingly, rent has two different meanings for economists. The first is the commonplace definition: the INCOME from hiring out LAND or other durable goods. The second, also known as economic rent, is a measure of MARKET POWER: the difference between what a FACTOR OF PRODUCTION is paid and how much it would need to be paid to remain in its current use. A soccer star may be paid $50,000 a week to play for his team when he would be willing to turn out for only $10,000, so his economic rent is $40,000 a week. In PERFECT COMPETITION, there are no economic rents, as new FIRMS enter a market and compete until PRICES fall and all rent is eliminated. Reducing rent does not change production decisions, so economic rent can be taxed without any adverse impact on the real economy, assuming that it really is rent.
Neoliberal propaganda acknowledges the existence of economic rent but promises a heaven of no-rent economy. Unfortunately we are not aware how far we are from this perfect competition ideal status. Enormous estimated value of commercial brand like Nokia or Coca-Cola comes from economic rent, it is even computed as a rent. Bearing in mind this huge value of Coca-Cola brand perfect competition is not even on the horizon.
Gross Domestic Product is a sum of:
labor income (wages);
capital income (interest);
rental income (rents).
Adam Smith was promoting this view on the composition of domestic economy (it was nothing new in the XVIII century).
Usually rental income makes up ~33% of the country economy. In Third World countries with monopolized economy rental income is closer to 40% of the national income.
Modern presentation of GDP never shows the country economy in this classical way (where the income comes from). Typical modern statistics show GDP as a sum of consumption, investment, government spending (national income by expenditure) or a national income by branches of national economy.
Economic rents in the Third World
GDP per capita in Third World countries colonized by foreign capital does not reflect the actual wealth of the country. GDP per capita is usually overestimated. The reason is that rental element of national income is often controlled by foreign capital. This foreign capital benefits from monopolistic rent in many sectors of economy. Monopolistic rent is usually transferred abroad using various transfer pricing techniques. This transfer can be very effective. As a result GDP may be overestimated by ~20%.
Various techniques used for transfer of wealth from colonies may make GNP – as opposed to GDP – also blind for this colonial exploitation.
The capital robbing national economy does not have to speak foreign languages as Russia proved in 90’s. In a chaotic legal environment and lack of power representing national interest even domestic capitalists may rob the economy and locate all profits in tax havens. Cyprus was for years the largest Russian investor. Pole position of Cyprus in the list of investors in Russia certainly confirmed Cypriot dominance in the world economy.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 5:34 pm
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 8:25 pm
Wow!! Thank you so much.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 8:28 pm
Thanks C1!!!
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Wed 24 Mar 2010, 8:40 pm
Wonderful stuff!!
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Thu 25 Mar 2010, 1:49 pm
Michael Hudson - Dress rehearsal for debt peonage August 26, 2009
Transcript of a Bonnie Faulkner Guns & Butter Radio interview with Dr. Michael Hudson (part 1) Originally broadcast on August 26, 2009 on KPFA-FM radio in Berkeley CA http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/dress-rehearsal-debt-peonage-guns-butter-interview-dr-michael-hudson-0
"...the government made a charade, pretending that it was going to get some of the benefit from the bailout of Wall Street..."
Bonnie Faulkner: Dr. Michael Hudson is a financial economist and historian. He is president of the Institute for the Study of Long Term Economic Trends, a Wall Street financial analyst and professor of economics at the University of Missouri Kansas City. His 1972 book, SuperImperialism, the Economic Strategy of American Empire, is a critique of how the United States exploited foreign economies through the IMF and the World Bank. He is also the author of The Myth of Aid, and Global Fracture, the New Economic Order. Dr. Hudson has written many articles on the current global financial crisis. A few of his most recent articles that we discuss today are "Instead of Real Financial Reform, Obama Capitulates to Wall Street [1]" “Bogus Solutions To The Financial Crisis: The Latest in Junk Economics [2]” and “The IMF Collects Debt On Behalf of the World's Largest Banks [3]."
Michael Hudson, welcome.
Michael Hudson: Thank you very much, Bonnie.
Bonnie Faulkner: The stock market is back up over 9,000, the Dow Jones Industrials, that is, are over 9,000. To what do you attribute this?
Michael Hudson: The government has given $13 trillion dollars to the financial sector. Now if you're going to give $13 trillion to the financial sector, and flood the economy with money, obviously this is worth something. Essentially the stock market is rising to reflect the government giveaway.
Bonnie Faulkner: We're reading that the banks that took the bailout money, that some of them are returning the bailout money, what's with this?
Michael Hudson: When they originally got the giveaway from the government, the government made a charade, pretending that it was going to get some of the benefit from the bailout of Wall Street. You had Warren Buffet, for instance, make a loan to a number of Wall Street institutions and make a huge killing on it. The government also said “we have stock warrants that say that if your stock recovers and you don't go bankrupt, since we rescued you, we want to get something like what Warren Buffet did.” But what they're getting is about one tenth of what Warren Buffet did. The government has been utterly misleading and deceptive in terms of saying what it's got. It says well “we've just been reimbursed by Goldman Sachs and we made an annualized return of 23%.” The average reader will say, 23%, that's a lot of money. They don't realize that not even a year has gone by, and the companies are saying wait a minute, instead of giving you a share of our profits and a share of the capital gains we're getting, we want to repay you now at a very low price... so you will not get a share of the gains we have.
So they're paying the government way ahead of schedule. The government is not using its option to hold the loan and get much more later. It's essentially doing a giveaway to Wall Street in letting Wall Street buy shares on the cheap in itself... enabling the large companies to pay much larger bonuses. The administration's aim is to increase, probably to double the size of the bonuses they can pay on Wall Street by giving a windfall gain to Goldman Sachs and Chase Manhattan and other firms by letting them cash in. letting their expenses stop now. In fact the most recent cash-in was saying well wait a minute, under th terms we negotiated which were so much better than the terms that Warren Buffet negotiated, if we go out and get private capital, and we can get private capital because you've given us $13 trillion dollars, of course we're worth more, well you're crowded out and you don't get anything.
So it turns out that the money being repaid to the government shows how utterly corrupt the bailout money to these private companies was. There's been a huge transfer of resources to Wall Street, and Wall Street wants to make sure it doesn't have to repay the government for the gift that it's got.
Bonnie Faulkner: I was just about to ask you what the deal is with the banks now claiming that they're profitable, because we all thought they were bankrupt. Have they really become profitable?
Michael Hudson: Yes, they have. There's a difference between profits and capital losses. They had a huge capital loss. It had nothing to do with operating profit. You can be bankrupt and still make an income. They had worthless garbage, worthless fictitious mortgages and packages in their portfolios to back the deposits. They were able to take about two trillion dollars worth of these junk mortgages and exchange these at the Federal Reserve for actual treasury bonds. This was the famous trash for cash tradeoff. They were able to give their junk to the U.S. government, which now holds their junk. That has solved their balance sheet (problem). Meanwhile they're very profitable. There was an article in the Financial Times today to the effect that banks are now making more money on late fees and penalties and overdrafts than they're actually making in interest.
So they're making money by increasing the cost structure of the American economy very strongly. The more they can increase the cost of doing business to American families and American companies, the higher their profits are. their profits are directly proportional to how much they can raise the cost of doing business and raise the cost of living to Americans. the government has said (to them) raise the cost to Americans by enough to make yourself profitable.
"...the new idea is to make money on the inability of the customer to pay. fees, and finally they turn to the government to get reimbursement..."
Bonnie Faulkner: That reminds me of a friend of mine, someone who I know who has a line of credit with one of the banks, it's a small amount. He had been required on a minimum payment, this is a credit card, of 2% every month if he just wanted to pay the minimum. Now he's just gotten a letter from Chase saying well, you're going to have to pay the minimum of 5% a month, or pay this off. So I guess they can just change the rules any time they want.
Michael Hudson: Yes, that's in the small print, that they're allowed to change the rules, and if the person does not pay the 5%, then they have to pay very heavy late fees as well, and penalties. So Chase can collect a lot more money from the people that can't pay. They collect more by what is called predatory finance, making sure that they charge more than the customer can pay. Their objective is to take every bit of income from the customer's pocket and move it to Chase's pocket, or Wall Street's pocket. That's their business plan.
Bonnie Faulkner: What you're saying reminds me of something I read in the paper recently, about why the banks are not foreclosing on properties to get the thousand dollars or whatever they would get from the government to rewrite the mortgage, because if they just string along, they make more money off people going into default.
Michael Hudson: What they do is keep adding on late fees, so that when the default occurs, they can claim reimbursement for all of the late fees and nonpayments. Originally, banks made money off the interest people paid on money that they borrowed productively. The idea was that any profit or capital gain that the borrower gets, they turn over to the banks. But now the new idea is to make money on the inability of the customer to pay. fees, and finally they turn to the government to get reimbursement for the mortgage including all of the late fees and charges written into the mortgage.
Bonnie Faulkner: Exactly, and this explains why there aren't more homes actually in foreclosure, because they don't make as much money that way.
Michael Hudson: That's right.
Bonnie Faulkner: Today's new York Times reports "Guaranteed Bonuses Back on Wall Street," and that Obama's "pay czar," a man named Feinberg wont be able to affect most of these multi billion dollar guaranteed bonuses. The NY Times article went on to describe what it called "talent wars" in which the banks, bidding up the salaries of derivatives traders, currency speculators and computer trading specialists, etc., so that the salaries on Wall Street, at the top at least, are not just staying where they were, but are increasing.
Michael Hudson: That's right, the contract they've made with their traders gives them a guaranteed share of profits they make. Of course they're not really profits, remember. If they were profits, they'd have to pay taxes on them. Traders don't make profits, they make capital gains, which are taxed at only a fraction of what wage earners (must pay) get. Thus governments subsidize the traders, they subsidize the financial parasitism by saying we want the economy to stop producing industrial goods, to stop producing an income, we want the whole economy to operate on a basis of capital gains, of trading everything back and forth.
This is the post-industrial economy. You don't have to produce anything, and to make sure that we make money by trading, we're going to count all the trading profits as capital gains. Not only are they officially taxed at only half the rate as earned income, wages and profits, but if you take these gains and use them to buy yet more property, you don't have to pay at all. As Leona Helmsley said, "Only the little people pay taxes." Only labor and industry pay taxes, not Wall Street.
Bonnie Faulkner: Yes, her quote is one of my favorites of all time. Do you think she went to jail because she was telling the truth.
Michael Hudson: No, she went to jail because she falsified her reports. The fact is, had she handled things differently on an accounting basis, her principle was right. She was cheating on her tax returns, it was too embarrassing for the government not to throw her in jail. They did agree not to throw her husband in jail.
Bonnie Faulkner: According to your article "Instead of Real Financial Reform, Obama's Plan Capitulates to Wall Street" [1] you talk about a financial regulatory reform proposal of Obama's that promotes Wall Street's product, debt creation, at the expense of the economy at large, and lets financial chieftains continue to self-regulate the debt industry, and by the way, to keep all the profits from the past decades worth of fraudulent lending scot free. Does Obama's plan make the Federal Reserve the sole regulator? What's going on?
Michael Hudson: People he's appointed are the neoliberals from the Clinton administration, who were advocating the repeal of Glass-Steagal in 1999 and led to all of these problems. Essentially his lobbying team consists of Wall Street lobbyists. What Obama is being told is how do we de-regulate Wall Street so that the government has no power at all to regulate us or to tell us what we can do.
They've come up with a brilliant plan. All you need to do is take regulatory authority away from every government agency, and take regulatory authority away from every court, and put it in the hands of the Federal Reserve, and then put an ideological fanatic like (another) Alan Greenspan in charge of the Federal Reserve who refuses to regulate, just as Alan Greenspan refused to regulate. Wall Street, which for the last hundred years has been against all regulation, calling it socialism, thinks this is a wonderful idea. "Yes, yes!" they're saying, "this is a wonderful idea! We want to be regulated by one financial authority!" because they know that the Federal Reserve's role is to act as a lobbyists (in government) for the commercial ban king system, for Wall Street.
"Wall Street's product is debt, and it makes its money off debt. It makes its money off collecting interest on debt in the first place, and then collecting predatory fees and late fees and payments and foreclosing when the debt can't be paid."
So by appointing Federal Reserve bank regulator, you've appointed (the industry's) your own lobbyist as the self-regulator, which means a non-regulator. All you have to do is put someone like Ben Bernanke in charge of the Fed and the Fed will tell Wall Street "do whatever makes money, what's good for you is good for the economy" even if it's strangling the economy, even if it's leading to higher unemployment, even if it's de-industrializing the economy, and polarizing the economy between creditors and debtors.
Bonnie Faulkner: Now you mentioned Glass-Steagal, and in this article of yours, you point out that Paul Volkher was brought in as an economic advisor for Obama's proposed reforms, and indeed the former Fed Chairman, Bernanke's predecessor gave some good advice: reverse the repeal of Glass-Steagal. What happened with this?
Michael Hudson: He was brought in for window dressing, because people had respect for him. You want to bring in a group of people who are trotted out as advisors. Then you ignore everybody's advice you don't want to take. So obviously his advice is not being taken. In other words, investment banking is not the same thing as commercial banking. Commercial banking is supposed to be basically a public utility, not a means of financing and making money. Paul Volkher said these two things are just the opposite (of one another). As a matter of fact I had lunch last week with one of my old Chase Manhattan friends who used to work with Paul Volkher and he was reminding me of the differences in philosophy between our generation and the new generation that has come up which is somehow convinced that what's good for Wall Street is good for the economy, although Wall Street's product is debt, and it makes its money off debt. It makes its money off collecting interest on debt in the first place, and then collecting predatory fees and late fees and payments and foreclosing when the debt can't be paid. This is a difference in generations by people who really didn't ever grow up in an experience of a financial downturn.
Bonnie Faulkner: Since Ben Bernanke is the head of the Fed, should he be the sole regulator? Why would Wall Street want Ben Bernanke as its chief regulator?
"That's just who you want regulating Wall Street. You want a blind policeman in charge."
Michael Hudson: The reason why Wall Street wants Bernanke as a regulator would be clear if you looked back at what he wrote in 2004. He gave a speech that's on the Fed website to the Eastern Economic Association called "the Great Moderation [4]" and he also gave a speech to the Fed called '"the Great Moderation". Now here, in 2004, he said that the period of the last twenty-five years, from 1979 to 2004 had been a great moderation, employment and output have never been so stable. Look at the balance sheet from 1979 to 2004. This is the greatest immoderation in American history. In 1979 you had the wealthiest one percent of the people, as I think I've said in your program before having 37% of the wealth. By 2004, they'd increased their share of America's returns to wealth, that is interest, dividends, returns to capital gains to 57%, and its about twice that by now.
Bernanke has a blind spot. Although he's nominally head of the Federal Reserve, which deals with finance, finance plays no role in his mind at all. In order to be head of the Federal Reserve, in order to have a financial regulatory position in the government, you have to ignore finance, you have to ignore debt, you have to assume that debt is not a problem, only a solution, and you have to assume that the financial sector adds to the national output, not acting as an overhead, absorbing wages and turning them into interest payments, absorbing corporate profits and diverting corporate capital away from investment into interest payments. You have to be blind to the effect of finance on the economy, and this blind spot goes all the way back to Ricardo [5], who was the lobbyist for the bank sector in England after the Napoleonic wars ended in 1815.
The blind spot is inherent in the Chicago school of Milton Friedman and the University of Chicago monetarists. It seems ironic that a school that should calls itself monetarist and free market actually doesn't have any role for debt at all. It imagines that money and debt really reflect the economy's earning power.
So in their analysis, of the value of an asset, you take the earnings, the income that it can pay, and you capitalize it at the current rate of interest and you say "How much can I borrow against that amount of income. How much can you borrow against a corporation that earns a certain rate of profit. How much can you borrow against some real estate that earns so much over taxes, and whatever banks will lend, they define as wealth. So you define wealth in terms of how much a bank will lend, and how much of this can be turned into interest and rents for Wall Street. Of course if all the of the national surplus is turned into interest, there's no money for rising living standards, there's no money for increased capital investment, and the economy goes into depression, just as we're going into.
That blind spot is a precondition for (being appointed) head of the Fed. Bernanke is a well-meaning fool, he doesn't know what he's talking about. That's just who you want regulating Wall Street. You want a blind policeman in charge.
Bonnie Faulkner: Are you saying that Ben Bernanke defines wealth as debt?
"...we're living through a transition from democracy to oligarchy and the oligarchy wants the money for itself, not for the people."
Michael Hudson: He defines wealth as how much an entity can borrow, which is debt; in other words, its debt-bearing capacity.
Bonnie Faulkner: A quick follow-up on Paul Volkher. I've heard him roundly criticized for when he was head of the Fed of course took interest rates up to twenty, twenty-two percent and the claim has been made that that caused the de-industrialization of the United States. Do you agree with that?
Michael Hudson: It certainly stopped capital investment, because nobody can invest when you have to pay twenty-two percent. What he did was a response to the Vietnam war. the United States was running a huge balance of payments deficit, it was running a large inflation, and if he hadn't done that, raise the interest rates, living standards would have risen in this country. Raising interest rates to crisis levels was critical in order to prevent American living standards from rising.
The government believes that the key to economic management is to reduce living standards so there will be more money for the corporations and companies to pay the banks. That's the working business plan of the US government.
Bonnie Faulkner: That's interesting, because I was just about to ask you why the government would not want living standards to go up.
Michael Hudson: Because politicians respond to the campaign contributors they have, and the campaign contributors are Wall Street, the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) industries, and they want the economic surplus for themselves. They don't want it to go to labor. Essentially we're living through a transition from democracy to oligarchy and the oligarchy wants the money for itself, not for the people.
Bonnie Faulkner: Well, yes that makes sense, because if living standards went up, then we'd be having the money to spend on ourselves and not them.
Michael Hudson: That's correct.
Bonnie Faulkner: Getting back to your article on Obama's new financial regulatory reform proposal, you write that this financial regulatory reform that Obama is proposing has six major flaws. Do you want to talk about some of those flaws? You say that one of the flaws is the failure to give meaningful teeth to fraud reduction. And you talk about the consumer financial products agency, and I guess we've talked about that with regard to the credit cards.
Michael Hudson: It's more than that. When Obama bailed out Wall Street, he thought, "are the people really going to take this, we have to give something ostensibly to protect the victims of predatory finance. As long as we're giving $13 trillion to predatory finance we have to give something to its victims, so he said, not only am I doing the biggest giveaway in history, not only am I tripling American's federal debt to Wall Street, but I am setting up an agency to protect consumers from predatory finance.
But all that was was a proposal. Immediately the financial lobbies got in there and said don't give this any teeth, make sure that they don't have any power , so everybody, especially the Wall Street Journal is saying we'll go along with the giveaway to Wall Street, but we don't want any agency to protect consumers on this.. The belief now is that nobody's going to be around to protect consumers.
Bonnie Faulkner: Another flaw that you saw in Obama's regulatory reform proposal was the failure to reverse the shift to pro-creditor bankruptcy laws.
Michael Hudson: That's right, for almost a decade the banks have pushed what ended up in the 2005 Bankruptcy Act, which greatly increases the difficulty of individuals wiping out their debt for bankruptcy. The government is trying to make it impossible for consumers and homeowners and wage earners and homeowners to ever get free of debt by bankruptcy. Only the rich people can get rid of their debts. They get rid of their debts by turning it over to the public sector and making the government pay.
But consumers are not supposed to get rid of their debt, so essentially if you can't pay your debt we're moving into a society of what I call debt peonage. If you buy a house and you can't pay the mortgage, the proposals in the Wall Street Journal last Friday were that the government can come after you for your entire life. You have to live in a kind of debtors prison for the rest of your life in a Dickensian way, except that you're able to stay at home instead if in prison to cut the public costs, but you have to turn over all of your income to the creditors to pay for the junk mortgage you've signed into, the fraudulent practices of the last five years.
Bonnie Faulkner: I was going to ask you to elaborate on what debt peonage would look like in this country, but I guess you've kind of done that...
Michael Hudson:Debt peonage is when all of the surplus over and above basic needs goes to pay creditors.
"The financial sector realizes that it's broken the American economy, it's time to take the money and run."
Bonnie Faulkner: That's a good definition...
Michael Hudson: In other words, you're able to live, but all the surplus you produce, all that you earn, anything companies earn over and above break even costs has to go to pay the interest to the financial sector. It's what happened to the Roman empire and the result was the dark ages. The problem is that creditors live in the short run, and they tend to be parasites. It's just like in nature you have parasites. As they tend to have evolved in good Darwinian style they usually end up helping the host.
A good parasite will say, I want to take the host's blood and nourishment but I have to do something to help the host, I have to help it digest food or find new sources of nourishment. An intelligent parasite in nature doesn't take so much from the host that it kills the host because then it wouldn't be able to have any more nourishment. it wants to keep the host going. But at the very end of the process when the host is about to die, then the parasite lays the eggs which hatch and devour the host. That's the end stage. We're at this final stage of the credit cycle now. The financial sector realizes that it's broken the American economy, it's time to take the money and run. That's the stage of the financial economy we're into. We're in the bailout stage,( where they) take the money and run.
Wall Street's just trying to get the government to take its trash for cash as much as possible, to give it the bailout, and then it's moving that money abroad as quickly as it can to buy resources abroad, to buy foreign companies, to buy foreign debt, to buy foreign raw materials, to speculate in oil and copper and steel markets, to drive up the prices.
Essentially you're having the financial sector jump ship, realizing it's killed the American economy, and figure out how much it can carve up the economy as it takes whatever it can from (the wreckage of) the economy.
Bonnie Faulkner: What do you think this place is going to look like once they jump ship?
Michael Hudson: I'm dealing with two countries which are sort of the wave of the future, Iceland and Latvia, that have so much debt beyond their ability to pay that the result for one thing is emigration. A lot of Icelanders are emigrating, The people in Iceland and Latvia are running down their savings accounts in order to try to keep trying pay the interest on their houses that are falling in price. They're trying to keep up living standards although their family members are being laid off. First of all they dissipate the savings they have, paying them out to creditors, and finally to survive they're leaving the country. So you have depopulation, falling birth rates, rising death rates.
The IMF has gone to Latvia which is the most seriously indebted of the post-Soviet economies, and saying you have too many people who are using medical care. They've just cut back the hospital budget by 50%, they're saying you have to let the old people die. They've cut back the schooling by 50%. They say you cannot afford to educate your population. If you want an education, you must leave the country. They're saying essentially that Latvians have to cut their population by one third in the next couple of years.
Same thing for Iceland. One third of you have to lose your houses, have them plowed under, one third of your people have to emigrate, in order to pay essentially what we foreign investors want. We want your geothermal resources, we want your hydroelectric dams. We don't want the people. You have to run a budget surplus, not pay unemployment insurance, not industrialize, not invest, you have to cut your education and medical cost so that whatever you, the government extract from your economy you have to pay creditors. That's the dress rehearsal for the United States.
Bonnie Faulkner: If we're all going to try and emigrate, where will we go?
Michael Hudson: I don't know.
Part 2 of Dress Rehearsal For Debt Peonage Will Appear in Black Agenda Report next week.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Thu 25 Mar 2010, 2:23 pm
Dress Rehearsal For Debt Peonage, Part 2, a Guns & Butter Interview with Dr. Michael Hudson
Theproduct of a banking sector, explains Dr. Michael Hudson in part 2 of this interview conducted by KPFA's Bonnie Faulkner, is debt. The business plan of America's finance and insurance sectors for the last generation and more has been to manufacture debt, collect ever-rising levels of rent, fees, interest and penalties, even to be bailed out of investments by the government with money it lends government, and finally to strip the assets of and privatize the public sector for its own short-term gain.
Dress Rehearsal For Debt Peonage, Part 2 Transcript of a Bonnie Faulkner Guns & Butter Radio interview with Dr. Michael Hudson Originally broadcast on August 26, 2009 on KPFA-FM radio in Berkeley CA http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/dress-rehearsal-debt-peonage-part-2-guns-butter-interview-dr-michael-hudson
"...Originally the income tax fell on the wealthy... Only one percent of the population actually had to file an income tax return...."
Bonnie Faulkner: One of the other points of Obama's financial regulatory reform proposal that you say is a failure is the failure to deter credit default swaps and other casino capitalist gambles. You point out that Mr. Obama proposes that loan originators keep a token five percent on their books only.
Michael Hudson: There's been a large discussion in the financial press over whether computerized trading, whether speculative trading for instance in oil and other products, whether the whole idea of default insurance swaps and derivatives and gambling really helps the economy at all, or whether it's really just gambling, and instead of which way interest rates or exchange rates or stock prices might go, how is that different from gambling on who's going to win the next baseball game, or win the next horse race? The idea is should Wall Street be essentially conducting all this activity by huge computers in trillions of dollars in derivatives and bets as a way of making money? Is that really how we want America to make money? Or do we want the economy to make money by investing in capital equipment and factories and farms that employ people and actually produce something? Wall Street says well, wait a minute, when we're making profits by essentially gambling on which way derivatives are going and which way oil prices are going, we're buying oil not to use in gas tanks, not to make energy out of, we're buying oil to make a shortage and drive up the price so we can make a capital gain trading on it. We want to make sure you give us a tax break on this. You may tax industries, you may tax factories, you may tax people, but don't tax the winners, and by the way, if we make a big loss and can't pay the winners like AIG, who tried to insure the gamblers who lost, the government is going to come in and they're going to pay essentially all the winners at casinos who go bankrupt. So in the end everybody gets paid at the public expense from this kind of gambling. Is that the economy we want? Obama's advisors say yes, that's the post industrial economy, that's what we want.
Bonnie Faulkner: Another point that you make about Obama's proposal, one of the filings, is the failure to reform the tax system that has distorted the financial system to promote predatory extractive debt, not productive industrial credit.
Michael Hudson: The tax system in America has been under attack ever since the income tax came in in 1913. Originally the income tax fell on the wealthy. It was really a tax on the returns to wealth. Only one percent of the population actually had to file an income tax return... if you earned less than about $102,000 today, you didn't have to even file a return. So the tax was paid largely by the real estate and financial interests and the insurance interests. Well, for the last century the wealthy part of the population have chipped away, they've paid lobbyists to write small print into the tax code that favors almost every kind of income that wealth gets and that the bulk of the population doesn't get, so what we have is a huge shift of the tax burden off property, and off finance and on to labor. That's the real problem. What has created this financial twist of our system, this distortion of our system is the fact that absentee owned property is largely tax exempt. Finance is tax exempt. Industry is not tax exempt and labor isn't tax exempt, so we've turned America from a low cost economy into a high cost economy, and by privatizing the public domain, we've turned what used to be user fees or services produced freely like roads and transportation into rent gouging exercises. We've sold off the public domain and let buyers buy on credit railroads and other public infrastructure, charge whatever the market would bear, raise the cost of doing business, raise the cost of living, and because they financed it all with debt, they count debt as a tax deductible expense, and they don't have to pay income tax on money they pay out in interest. Instead of favoring an equity economy, a savings economy, the tax code favors a debt leveraging economy. Let's look at what's happening in California for an example. California,like many other states has a budget condition where it has to be in balance. Years ago, in the 1970s California passed Proposition 13. This limited the property taxes to a rise of only one percent a year. Property values on the other hand, have risen from eight to ten percent a year, and the effect of Proposition 13 has been a huge giveaway largely to commercial property and to the property of the wealthy. So, unable to tax property, the free rent, California has left all this rental value of real estate, homes and office buildings, to be paid out to banks as interests on loans taken out to buy the property. It costs just as much to operate, to get a home, or an office building, or a company under the low property tax (regime) today as it would have cost under the high tax (regime) except that instead of paying a high property tax that goes to finance California's budget and pay for education the high costs go to pay the banks in interest. So California has to make up the amount of money somewhere else by taxing labor and industry and causing unemployment. In the final instance, when it's not able to tax property, what's it to do? It cuts back on what used to be one of the best educational systems in the country. It cuts back public spending, it cuts back medical spending. The result is to reduce the California state economy to debt peonage, much as the position of Iceland or Latvia.
Bonnie Faulkner: In addition to what you have listed, they;re gouging all the way down to the parking meters, the sales tax has gone up, and a lot of the infrastructure is going to be privatized.
Michael Hudson: That seems to be happening in Chicago also, they've been privatizing parking meters and everything. somehow, things that used to be free are now being paid to private enterprises and the government can't raise funds to perform its basic public sector duties. Then it has to sell off the public domain to private buyers. Private buyers prefer to buy any kind of public enterprise or rights, like the streets or parking lots or roads, to turn them into toll roads, to put toll booths and parking meters wherever they can all over the economy, over the electric system, over the train system, the transport system, the airwaves.
"...the reality is that debt isn't wealth, debt is debt, the antithesis of wealth... That's like saying war is peace. "
What the government used to provide in the progressive era...the public infrastructure that made America the most competitive economy in the world, it's now loading down with privatized debt payments to the banking system. Look (they say) at all the wealth we're creating! If the government owned these roads it wouldn't be part of the private wealth, which is all they look at. It would be part of the national balance sheet. But once we sell it on credit to somebody who borrows the money it's worth as much as a bank will lend against it. That's what I said at the beginning of the talk, that the value of a house or a company or a toll road or a street that you can put parking meters on is however much a bank will lend against it. The interest bearing capacity of any asset is whats looked at as wealth. Well the reality is that debt isn't wealth, debt is debt, the antithesis of wealth and somehow there's been an inversion, a turning inside out or upside down of the whole idea of what wealth is. Now the idea is saying that debt is wealth. That's like saying war is peace.
Bonnie Faulkner: Isn't it also true that when the infrastructure is privatized, the people that buy it are borrowing the money from a bank to buy it and the interest they have to pay on these loans is tax deductible?
Michael Hudson: That's right, and in fact they may borrow it for themselves. For instance in Iceland, Iceland had hoped that when it turned over its geothermic power to AlCan and aluminum plants, that this would be a natural resource and it would get part of the economic rent from the cheap energy that it provides to make electricity. Basically, aluminum is made out of electricity because it's made out of clay and clay is everywhere but electricity isn't everywhere. Well it turns out that AlCan arranged to borrow the money, to debt leverage the money from one of its other affiliates in one of the offshore banking enclaves where it doesn't have to pay tax and then it tells Iceland, well wait a minute, we didn't make any profits. All the profit we had to pay as interest on the loan we made to ourselves so we have no income tax to pay you. So Iceland is left somehow without getting any benefit at all from the financial resource it thought was going to make it reach. so it turns out they don't really have a natural resource, it's been stripped by the banking and financial sector. That's what the banking and financial sector has turned into across the world, in America, in Iceland, Latvia, all over the world the financial sector is asset stripping and income stripping. It doesn't finance direct capital investment. It strips away the income from investment, for natural resources, for land that's already in place, and often supplied freely by nature.
Bonnie Faulkner: To sum up this financial regulatory reform proposal of Obama's what does it consist of, will it have to pass the legislature, or what?
Michael Hudson: The agreement will have to rewrite the nation's regulatory laws. I'm hoping that the Democrats in congress will say wait a minute, we're not even going to think of turning over any regulation to the Federal Reserve until you agree at the very outset... (to a ) consumer financial products agency. We need consumer protection so that the massive national subprime mortgage fraud, real estate fraud, financial fraud is not continued, so the credit card ripoffs and predatory financial practices will be stopped. That has to be the first order of priority.
Then, instead of turning over all regulatory authority to the Federal Reserve, and saying wait a minute, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has just turned into a lobbying agency for Wall Street, what the government should do is, say we don't want just one regulator, we want more than one regulator. We want five or six regulators. Unlike the past, we're not going to let companies shop around for the stupidest, the dumbest, the most understaffed and underfinanced regulator, they're all going to have authority. So (hopefully) you're not only going to have the Federal Reserve as oversight, you're going to have the Treasury as oversight. You're going to have the SEC, the Securities and Exchange Commission as oversight. We're actually going to put teeth into these regulations (hopefully) just as we had 70 or 80 years ago. Instead of de-regulating we're going to put real regulators in charge of the regulatory agencies. We're (hopefully) going to assign them a budget sufficient to give them enough staff so that next time somebody turns in, in great detail, how someone like Bernie Madoff is running a Ponzi scheme for $50 billion there's going to be somebody on staff available to actually read the letter and not just file it away under complaints in a filing cabinet, as was done before.
" Reform today is just the opposite of what reform meant in the progressive era of America a hundred years ago. Then reform meant government oversight and checks and balances. Today the word reform means getting rid of checks and balances... "
We're going (hopefully) to actually have regulatory agencies that are run in the public interest, not in the interest of Wall Street because self-regulation doesn't work. And the Federal Reserve, as the lobbyists for the banking sector, owned by the commercial banks, not by the federal government. You don't (hopefully) have the lobbyists for the financial sector acting as regulators any more than you have the pharmaceutical industry in charge of the Federal Drug Administration... you don't want them to be run by the industry and staffed by the managers of the industries they're supposed to regulate.
Bonnie Faulkner: So then Obama's financial regulatory reform proposal hasn't gone before the legislature yet.
Michael Hudson: No, he's still drawing it up and discussing things and his proposals are giving the word reform as bad a name as it got in Russia under Yeltsin. Reform today is just the opposite of what reform meant in the progressive era of America a hundred years ago. Then reform meant government oversight and checks and balances. Today the word reform means getting rid of checks and balances, turning over regulation to the industries being regulated. It means exactly the opposite of what the word reform used to mean, and we've entered a world of Orwellian doublespeak.
Bonnie Faulkner: Yes, I think in your article you made the statement that instead of a Roosevelt, we've got a Yeltsin.
Michael Hudson: That's right.
Bonnie Faulkner: Now with regard to this price-inflation bubble, the latest one of course having been the sub-prime, you write that prices of everyone's property went up. Of course so did people's debts. The problem is that asset prices fall when the Ponzi scheme ends. But the debts remain in place. That yeah, the prices of the stuff they bought goes down, but their debt doesn't go down.
Michael Hudson: What it means is that somebody's bought a house for $500,000, and now they took out a full mortgage for $500,000, but now the market price is only $300,000. So there's $200,000 in what they call negative equity. Now what are they going to do? Are they going to walk away, in what is called "jingle mail," mail in the keys to the bank and say OK, we're going to walk out of this house, we're going to buy the identical house across the street for $300,000, and you've taken a $200,000 loss. Well, the government is trying to either tell the banks gee, you've made a bad loan, we don't want you to lose any money cause you're our biggest campaign contributor after all, we wouldn't be in office if it weren't for your campaign contributions that we spent on television ads to get people to vote for us. So we're going to split the loss with you, but you're going to be allowed to add all of the late fees and penalties, so in effect you won't lose a penny. You're going to be bailed out at taxpayer expense. When people walk out of their $500,000 house and leave you with a $200,000 loss, we'll give you $200,000 out of the public debt and you'll be OK. By the way, we're changing the law so that the people who bought the $300,000 house we can now sue them and make them pay the $200,000 loss, make them pay the debt for the rest of their lives. They won't be able to send their children to college, they won't be able to go to the hospital when they get sick, we'll make sure all that money goes to you...
“The product of banks is debt. They make interest, they make late charges and penalties and fees, and finally they foreclose on property, they make management fees, and then they buy government, they privatize government, and they get bailed out, and add the bailout to the public debt,”
Bonnie Faulkner: Is that right, they're going to change the law to go after the people who've walked away?
Michael Hudson: That's what the Wall Street Journal proposed last Friday, and it's what the corporate lobbyists are trying to push in Washington.
Bonnie Faulkner: Wow. You wrote a very interesting article, "Bogus Solutions to the Financial Crisis: the Latest in Junk Economics" in which you discussed some of the summer book offerings, offering solutions to the financial crisis. These solutions included regulating or eliminating derivatives trading, instituting a token tax on securities transactions, closure of offshore banking centers and their tax avoidance stratagems. Your write "...No one is going so far as to suggest attacking the root of the financial problem." What is the root of the financial problem in your view? You kind of indicate it would be the tax deductibility of interest.
Michael Hudson: The problem is that the debts are beyond the ability of the economy to pay. That's why I've spent some time talking about Iceland and Latvia. When you have a whole economy that can't pay its debts, then it has to pay by running down its savings, by the government selling off the public domain, or by people forfeiting their homes and other assets to the creditors. The economy polarizes between creditors and debtors. That's the financial problem itself. The root of the problem is that the economy favors debt leveraging as a way of making money. It lets investors deduct the interest charges they have to pay, but dividends are not tax deductible. So it encourages debt financing rather than equity financing. Ever since the early nineteenth century, the Frenchman Henri St. Simone said that the problem of economies throughout Western civilizations is that debts grow more rapidly than the economy can grow. This is called the magic of compound interest. Any rate of interest is a doubling time. If you leave a debt... and keep reinvesting the interest, very quickly it doubles, it redoubles, it quadruples. The economy doesn't grow that fast. Economies taper off in s-curves, and in fact, the heavier the debt burden, the quicker economies slow down and the more of the economic surplus is shifted out of the hands of industry, out of the hands of people, into the hands of creditors who use their interest income to load the economy down with yet more loans and yet more debt. That's their business plan. The product of banks is debt. They make interest, they make late charges and penalties and fees, and finally they foreclose on property, they make management fees, and then they buy government, they privatize government, and they get bailed out, and add the bailout to the public debt, so that the whole economy is left without any surplus at all, and then growth stops. That's basically the problem, is that the economy is being run for the creditor class, not only the financial economy, but also the tax system. Once the creditor class gets control of the tax system... (it) un-taxes itself, un-taxes its customers, mainly landlords and monopolies. Then you have the economic surplus not used to increase living standards, not used to increase capital investment, to increase productivity, not used to create the leisure society that people expected they were going to get back in 1945... when economies were pretty debt-free. You load the economy down with more and more debt, that stifles growth... (Creditors) end up stripping all of its assets.... If you want to look at the future of the United States economy, look at what's happening in Iceland, Latvia, and in what used to happen in third world banana republics that were strapped by debt.
Bonnie Faulkner: Now with regard to the magic of compound interest, a few years ago I bought an item at a store for $34. I misplaced the bill and I ignored it. Within a year, the $34 charge went up to two or three hundred dollars.
Michael Hudson: That wasn't simple interest, that was all the fees they added on. What used to be looked at as simply a financial return on interest, the financial sector has essentially got itself exempted from usury laws. You mentioned before Paul Volkher raising the interest rate to 22%. Interest rates were so high there that in order to borrow money, you weren't allowed to under state usury laws, so states abolished all their usury laws. Not only did they abolish (limits upon) the rate of interest that could be charged, but they abolished (limits upon) all of the side charges for penalties and late charges, and things, which is how Indy Mac and CountryWide and the other predatory lenders were making their money.
“The way to get wealthy today is not by producing goods and services, certainly not to work for a living and save, it's to make a living by what the classical economists call rent seeking...”
Instead of throwing the heads of these banks in jail and prosecuting them, the government bailed them all out and made them billionaires. Instead of taking them over and running them in the public interest, they left them in private hands, and didn't even take the earnings that someone like Warren Buffett would have taken from them. So what you have is a travesty of financial regulation here. You have the economy being regulated by the financial sector instead of the economy regulating the financial sector. Something has to give. Either the financial sector or the real economy, and the government is sacrificing the real economy to the financial sector because they're the people who've bought control of the political election and lobbying process.
Bonnie Faulkner: In "Bogus Solutions to the Financial Crisis" you go on to say that the latest panacea being offered to jump start the economy is to rebuild America's depleted infrastructure. But you also see a deficiency in this proposal. What is it?
Michael Hudson: Well, if the government were rebuilding the infrastructure like they did in the 1930s, you'd be hiring people, you'd be putting them to work like the TVA, the Tennessee Valley Authority, the WPA, the Works Progress Administration, all of these other things. Instead, the government is doing its version of what in Britain is known as the public-private partnership initiative... selling off infrastructure on credit to let private buyers come in and buyout the road systems the streets and the parking meters, anything that's in the public domain, and essentially charging whatever they want without regulation. So America is becoming a Thatcherized or Yeltsinized economy.
Bonnie Faulkner: Finally, you write that what economics really is all about is the debt overhead; financial fraud and crime in general, military spending, a key to the US balance of payments deficit, and hence to the buildup of central bank dollar reserves throughout the world, the proliferation of unearned income and insider political dealing.
Michael Hudson: Adam Smith called his book The Wealth of Nations because he was writing about how to get wealthy. The way to get wealthy today is not by producing goods and services, certainly not to work for a living and save, it's to make a living by what the classical economists call rent seeking, by what John Stuart Mill called the unearned increment. You make money in a predatory way by getting something for nothing, by being able to charge a price for something that doesn't have a cost of production. You charge a price for land that you've been able to buy on the cheap. You buy a parking meter patent from a city and you put parking meters there. (It's) essentially to turn the economy into what classical economists call a rent seeking economy, a toll booth economy, where people get rich by charging for what used to be free.
Bonnie Faulkner: Michael Hudson, thank you very much.
Michael Hudson: Thank you, Bonnie.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Thu 25 Mar 2010, 4:18 pm
I wonder why he is "relatively" unknown; IOW, nowhere near as well-known as a Max Keiser, Peter Schiff, etc.-- when he is so obviously highly distringuished & knowledgeable, as well as seeming to be one of the last honest men on earth. (g)
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Thu 25 Mar 2010, 4:29 pm
The Fictitious Economy, An Interview With Dr. Michael Hudson June 25, 2008 (Before the Crash)
Interview Transcript - part 1 http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/fictitious-economy-part-1-interview-dr-michael-hudson
Interview Transcript - part 2 http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/fictitious-economy-part-2-interview-dr-michael-hudson
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Thu 25 Mar 2010, 7:25 pm
Michael Hudson: The Financial Barbarians at the Gate GUNS AND BUTTER April 15, 2009 58min 43sec
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"The Financial Barbarians at the Gate" with financial economist and historian, Dr. Michael Hudson. Europe; worsening financial situation and indebtedness; the history of banking and the criminalization of the banking system; tax policy; real estate asset inflation; US imperialism via the monetary system; neoliberal/neofeudal economics; classical political economy; finance capital breaking away from industrial capital; the financial crisis leading to a political crisis; similarities with the Roman Republic; what measures labor should take.
Having returned from Europe Hudson states that Iceland was declared a terrorist country by British and Russian counter parts and cleptocrats for consolidating the monetary system and grab land forcing basic feudalism. It appears, as Alex Jones indicates, the New World Order is a new rendition of the Old World Order.
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Subject: Re: Michael Hudson: Interviews on the New Junk Economics Fri 09 Apr 2010, 3:35 pm
I found the following streaming version of the above interview: The Financial Barbarians at the Gate
I couldn't recommend this interview more strongly. There is so much material here, that it might take a dozen listens to actually start to understand it. I think I've probably heard it at least 10-times and am still picking up more. If you can't listen to the whole thing, than definitely start listening at approx minute 45 through to the end... it's great stuff.
For one idea of what to do next, Hudson, who is coming at this from a left-political-vector, says the following (start @ ~54mins)...
Restore following planks of classical economists.
Pay as you go Social Security. Pay it out of taxes, not out of our wages. A return to a progressive tax system. Hence, financing social security and medical care out of progressive taxation on the rich.
Raise on the Capital Gains Tax, at least as much as the tax on normal income, but preferably at a higher rate. Want companies to earn a profit by producing goods and services, but you don't want them to make capital gains by buying and selling other companies, and/or financial manipulations that create the financial capital gains.
Stop tax deductibility of interest payments, so that the economy is shifted away from a debt oriented economy toward an equity oriented economy, which is what was endorsed by classical economists.
Even though I realize that these suggestions all presume a continued socialist social model, I think it's interesting to get Hudson perspective, as it helps identify the problems and how the existing system has been manipulated against the publics interest.
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