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PostSubject: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Mon 05 Apr 2010, 3:48 pm

First off, I could swear the 'Father' is reading from a teleprompter... I see NLP practiced by both participants, a very bizarre piece for sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Mon 05 Apr 2010, 5:55 pm

I can't believe they are actually going to try and pull this off. It's just such a ridiculous strategy. Do they really believe that the public will buy-it? If they do, they have totally misjudged society, and are far more delusional then the public who they despise.

This is right out of Chapter 5 of the Club of Rome's First Global Revolution... it's the ultimate in external threats that is supposed to make us all acquiesce to world government in order to fight the "external enemy".

Well, perhaps this is a good thing, as maybe this arrogance will be what leads to their own downfall.

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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Tue 06 Apr 2010, 3:43 am

Funny they're striking up the alien conversation amid all the pedophile charges...
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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Tue 06 Apr 2010, 10:11 am

In truth I don't understand why they are still so into deceiving all of us; if they are so all-powerful. I mean, why bother "fooling" such helpless people...can't they just come out and dominate everyone ???

This confuses me....
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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Tue 06 Apr 2010, 2:49 pm

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In truth I don't understand why they are still so into deceiving all of us; if they are so all-powerful. I mean, why bother "fooling" such helpless people...can't they just come out and dominate everyone ???

This confuses me....
Ever go to a circus and wonder how a multi-thousand pound elephant stays tied to a stump in the middle of the ring by a tiny threaded rope that the elephant could probably break if he just hiccup'd? Well, that elephant was tied to a stump as a baby using a thick heavy duty chain. They learned that they could not break the chain, so they ultimately stopped trying. Now, they don't even try to break the rope that "chains" them.

Now, recall Baudrillard's simularum...we know that they exaggerate somethging to hide that it does not exist - like using Watergate (ie "scandal") and the Congressional hearing to try to convince us that their is still law & order in DC. Here, they are using a show of an external threat to unite us, to unite us under their global system, to keep us all "safe".

The bottom line is that they don't have the power to dominate us. They don't even have the power to control us. Their only power is their ability to deceive us so that we "Control" ourselves. That is because we have all the power, and they know it. Deception is their only tool. Once that curtain is pulled back, their world disappears immediately.

That's why my argument has always been, and continues to be, to leave their system and simultaneously expose it to others, for they are truly powerless.

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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Tue 06 Apr 2010, 4:26 pm

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Explorer wrote:
In truth I don't understand why they are still so into deceiving all of us; if they are so all-powerful. I mean, why bother "fooling" such helpless people...can't they just come out and dominate everyone ???

This confuses me....
Ever go to a circus and wonder how a multi-thousand pound elephant stays tied to a stump in the middle of the ring by a tiny threaded rope that the elephant could probably break if he just hiccup'd? Well, that elephant was tied to a stump as a baby using a thick heavy duty chain. They learned that they could not break the chain, so they ultimately stopped trying. Now, they don't even try to break the rope that "chains" them.

Now, recall Baudrillard's simularum...we know that they exaggerate somethging to hide that it does not exist - like using Watergate (ie "scandal") and the Congressional hearing to try to convince us that their is still law & order in DC. Here, they are using a show of an external threat to unite us, to unite us under their global system, to keep us all "safe".

The bottom line is that they don't have the power to dominate us. They don't even have the power to control us. Their only power is their ability to deceive us so that we "Control" ourselves. That is because we have all the power, and they know it. Deception is their only tool. Once that curtain is pulled back, their world disappears immediately.

That's why my argument has always been, and continues to be, to leave their system and simultaneously expose it to others, for they are truly powerless.

Thanks for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Tue 06 Apr 2010, 11:20 pm

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Ever go to a circus and wonder how a multi-thousand pound elephant stays tied to a stump in the middle of the ring by a tiny threaded rope that the elephant could probably break if he just hiccup'd? Well, that elephant was tied to a stump as a baby using a thick heavy duty chain. They learned that they could not break the chain, so they ultimately stopped trying. Now, they don't even try to break the rope that "chains" them.

Nice analogy. :-)

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Now, recall Baudrillard's simularum...we know that they exaggerate somethging to hide that it does not exist - like using Watergate (ie "scandal") and the Congressional hearing to try to convince us that their is still law & order in DC. Here, they are using a show of an external threat to unite us, to unite us under their global system, to keep us all "safe".

So, you are saying that if we don't buy into their scare tactics (such as "the aliens are coming!"), they will be unable to harm us, because we won't be willing to accept their "help" OR embrace their global system. Is that right, so far?

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The bottom line is that they don't have the power to dominate us. They don't even have the power to control us. Their only power is their ability to deceive us so that we "Control" ourselves. That is because we have all the power, and they know it. Deception is their only tool. Once that curtain is pulled back, their world disappears immediately.

Granted, if we don't succumb to fear, we will not be so easy to manipulate, I absolutely agree with that as it is right from every viewpoint. But there is this problem, IP: they have the power to use *brute force* against us. They have been accumulating every conceivable type of weapon--biological, electronic, electromagnetic waves, for Christ's sake --all towards the purpose of subjugating us.

So my question is, how can this be powerlessness ?
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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Wed 07 Apr 2010, 2:42 am

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Now, recall Baudrillard's simularum...we know that they exaggerate somethging to hide that it does not exist - like using Watergate (ie "scandal") and the Congressional hearing to try to convince us that their is still law & order in DC. Here, they are using a show of an external threat to unite us, to unite us under their global system, to keep us all "safe".
So, you are saying that if we don't buy into their scare tactics (such as "the aliens are coming!"), they will be unable to harm us, because we won't be willing to accept their "help" OR embrace their global system. Is that right, so far?
Some people are going to get hurt. They have to do that in order to prove that their power is real, or that the operation in question is real. They can create real pain and destruction in isolated targets, but they require wide-scale buy-in from the public to make the pain and control ubiquitous.

If they can get enough of the public to believe, and act upon those beliefs, then we all can get hurt. But we're not getting hurt by them directly, we're getting hurt by society at-large, because they believe. It's all about leverage. If they can gain leverage via the public, then they can control all of us. But on their own, they aren't that powerful.

For example, they can't take-over countries militarily, but if they can get the American people to support a foreign invasion then they can convince the troops to do it and voila, they have their invasion.

So, it's society that perpetrates the crimes, in complicity with the controller's wishes. Unfortunately, society does not understand the criminal intent of their actions, they become unwitting dupes. And those who see what's going on, are overwhelmed by society at-large and are too few and too powerless to stop the criminal societal behavior.

Explorer wrote:
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The bottom line is that they don't have the power to dominate us. They don't even have the power to control us. Their only power is their ability to deceive us so that we "Control" ourselves. That is because we have all the power, and they know it. Deception is their only tool. Once that curtain is pulled back, their world disappears immediately.
Granted, if we don't succumb to fear, we will not be so easy to manipulate, I absolutely agree with that as it is right from every viewpoint. But there is this problem, IP: they have the power to use *brute force* against us. They have been accumulating every conceivable type of weapon--biological, electronic, electromagnetic waves, for Christ's sake --all towards the purpose of subjugating us.

So my question is, how can this be powerlessness ?
Some of my earlier reply in this post applies here as well.

Further, I don't believe they have as much technological military force as they say they do. What I've found is that as soon as they have it they use it. Much of the reports of super-secret military weapons comes from cointel sources. What I've found is that the powers they do have are generally discussed in their own documents, just very few read them. So, I do think their tech capabilities are exaggerated by their own people.

On the other hand, their tech powers are significant, but I don't see them as an option, for they must maintain the loyalty and confidence of their own cryptocracy. And I don't think an American cryptocracy has the stomach for mass violence. Further, as soon as they reveal themselves in this way, much of the deception is lost, and the public could possible turn against them in-mass, and I don't think that is a scenario they can win, as their entire future is based upon the successful art of deception.

I think our biggest tech challenges right now are technetronic controls that are most likely in TV, Radio and digital audio signals of all kinds, sending subliminal messages directly into our Amygdala's. Further, the unmanned aircraft (UAV) are also a serious threat, as they disaggregated the need for a human pilot for each vehicle. Finally, the network centric systems they are deploying into society are the most disturbing, as they put all of us into Skinner Boxes of behavioral control - can you imagine the large credit reporting bureaus being setup to handle and report-on our behavioral scores as well?

Hence, the use of their own tech in weaponry against the public is throttled by their own need to maintain deception. In a way, it's a self policing policy. Further, even if they did tech weaponry, I'm sure their wargaming scenarios show that they cannot achieve their objectives via that method, so strategically it is self-defeating. Everything that I've read shows that they are going to employ subtle social systems to very slowly move the public into an extremely weakened state. Any sudden moves would cause the Amygdala part of our brains to recognize a threat and respond accordingly. They must avoid this fear reacting state at all costs.

So no, I don't see any major use of weaponry unless it can be done in extremely subtle, undetectable ways that only impact small isolated population targets.

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PostSubject: Re: Talking Heads on Aliens and the Vatican   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 5:34 pm

C1 wrote:
Explorer wrote:
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Now, recall Baudrillard's simularum...we know that they exaggerate somethging to hide that it does not exist - like using Watergate (ie "scandal") and the Congressional hearing to try to convince us that their is still law & order in DC. Here, they are using a show of an external threat to unite us, to unite us under their global system, to keep us all "safe".

So, you are saying that if we don't buy into their scare tactics (such as "the aliens are coming!"), they will be unable to harm us, because we won't be willing to accept their "help" OR embrace their global system. Is that right, so far?
Some people are going to get hurt. They have to do that in order to prove that their power is real, or that the operation in question is real. They can create real pain and destruction in isolated targets, but they require wide-scale buy-in from the public to make the pain and control ubiquitous.

If they can get enough of the public to believe, and act upon those beliefs, then we all can get hurt. But we're not getting hurt by them directly, we're getting hurt by society at-large, because they believe. It's all about leverage. If they can gain leverage via the public, then they can control all of us. But on their own, they aren't that powerful.

For example, they can't take-over countries militarily, but if they can get the American people to support a foreign invasion then they can convince the troops to do it and voila, they have their invasion.

So, it's society that perpetrates the crimes, in complicity with the controller's wishes. Unfortunately, society does not understand the criminal intent of their actions, they become unwitting dupes. And those who see what's going on, are overwhelmed by society at-large and are too few and too powerless to stop the criminal societal behavior.

Explorer wrote:
Quote :
The bottom line is that they don't have the power to dominate us. They don't even have the power to control us. Their only power is their ability to deceive us so that we "Control" ourselves. That is because we have all the power, and they know it. Deception is their only tool. Once that curtain is pulled back, their world disappears immediately.
Granted, if we don't succumb to fear, we will not be so easy to manipulate, I absolutely agree with that as it is right from every viewpoint. But there is this problem, IP: they have the power to use *brute force* against us. They have been accumulating every conceivable type of weapon--biological, electronic, electromagnetic waves, for Christ's sake --all towards the purpose of subjugating us.

So my question is, how can this be powerlessness ?

Some of my earlier reply in this post applies here as well.

Further, I don't believe they have as much technological military force as they say they do. What I've found is that as soon as they have it they use it. Much of the reports of super-secret military weapons comes from cointel sources. What I've found is that the powers they do have are generally discussed in their own documents, just very few read them. So, I do think their tech capabilities are exaggerated by their own people.

On the other hand, their tech powers are significant, but I don't see them as an option, for they must maintain the loyalty and confidence of their own cryptocracy. And I don't think an American cryptocracy has the stomach for mass violence. Further, as soon as they reveal themselves in this way, much of the deception is lost, and the public could possible turn against them in-mass, and I don't think that is a scenario they can win, as their entire future is based upon the successful art of deception.

I think our biggest tech challenges right now are technetronic controls that are most likely in TV, Radio and digital audio signals of all kinds, sending subliminal messages directly into our Amygdala's. Further, the unmanned aircraft (UAV) are also a serious threat, as they disaggregated the need for a human pilot for each vehicle. Finally, the network centric systems they are deploying into society are the most disturbing, as they put all of us into Skinner Boxes of behavioral control - can you imagine the large credit reporting bureaus being setup to handle and report-on our behavioral scores as well?

Hence, the use of their own tech in weaponry against the public is throttled by their own need to maintain deception. In a way, it's a self policing policy. Further, even if they did tech weaponry, I'm sure their wargaming scenarios show that they cannot achieve their objectives via that method, so strategically it is self-defeating. Everything that I've read shows that they are going to employ subtle social systems to very slowly move the public into an extremely weakened state. Any sudden moves would cause the Amygdala part of our brains to recognize a threat and respond accordingly. They must avoid this fear reacting state at all costs.

So no, I don't see any major use of weaponry unless it can be done in extremely subtle, undetectable ways that only impact small isolated population targets.
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IP,

I believe the following article is very relevant to--and supportive of--the points you make above, particularly with regard to needing the public to consent to their own undoing:-

http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.3195
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In his book "Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents" (1770), the British philosopher Edmund Burke wrote, "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one…" This sentiment has survived as "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."

Why do good men do nothing in the face of evil, especially when evil aggressively invades their lives?

The question has red-hot relevance to those who value the tradition of individual freedom into which America was born -- a tradition that includes freedom of speech, the right to bear arms and to demand due process. These traditional freedoms are crumbling under the wheels of run-away government. Through dozens of 'alphabet agencies' -- the IRS, BATF, CPS, DHS, et al -- government aggressively enters the lives of good men who do nothing to protect themselves or their families.

Some people are paralyzed by fear; some by denial. But many others are immobilized by an apathy that strips away the emotional will to act in self-defense.

In psychological terms, apathy is a state of constant indifference that is generally associated with depression. Apathy leaves an individual unresponsive to the world and creates a disconnect between what he believes, how he feels and which actions he takes. For example, a man might fully recognize that food is necessary to life but, because he doesn't care, he doesn't eat.

Translated into political terms, he might realize that a gluttonous government is feasting on his liberty, his wealth and even on his children's future but, because he feels only numbness toward government, he doesn't act in self-defense. He obeys even when the command is self-destructive.

The question of why people passively obey government has haunted the history of political discourse. In 1552, Étienne de la Boétie addressed what he called the most important problem confronting freedom: people consent to their own enslavement. His analysis of 'why' resulted in the world's first book on non-violent resistance, The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude.

Modern historians ask the same question. During the mass arrests of Stalinist Russia, people reportedly slept in their clothing not in order to flee more easily but in order to be fully dressed when seized. In Hitler's Europe, Jews reported on their own to deportation centers and to their deaths. Why?

Part of the complex answer lies in what psychologists call 'object specific' apathy. That is, a person's numbness is directed toward a specific situation and may not be manifested in other areas of his life. The same man who is passionate about music or his wife may feel impotent in the area of demanding or even wanting his own freedom.

This response is a form of 'learned helplessness.' It is 'learned' because the response comes from relentlessly teaching an individual that he has no control over a situation and, so, his efforts are futile.

The original and now-famous experiment from which the term 'learned helplessness' derives involved shocking dogs with electricity until they developed the psychology of submission. When applied to human beings, 'learned helplessness' is most often used to describe people who have been institutionalized, for example, in prisons, mental institutions or orphanages. There, the regimentation strips an individual of the smallest choice and punishes the expression of preference. In time, many institutionalized people accept the inevitability of their environment. Some of them lose all ability to feel their own preferences.

The depth of learned helplessness that comes from being institutionalized is rare. But most of us absorb a degree of this apathy through constant exposure to a society that attempts to control almost every choice in daily life: smoking, eating fast food, gun ownership, telling a rude joke at work, marriage and divorce, boarding an airplane, medical care, banking…making a phone call. It is difficult to find a choice that isn't scrutinized by bureaucracy and covered by some form of government control. The message is clear: Conformity is rewarded; the 'wrong' choices are punished or otherwise discouraged. The public school system is just one example of what could be called the institutionalizing or bureaucratizing of daily life.

The Castle*, a brilliant novel by Franz Kafka, offers a window into what happens to the psychology of a man who confronts bureaucracy. Due to a mistake in paperwork, the main character K. is summoned to work in a village as a surveyor but ends up as a janitor. The Castle is the summoning authority with which K. must but cannot deal because he cannot contact the proper official. K.'s long and agonizing exercise in futility reveals the impact that bureaucracy has upon the human soul: it deadens.

K.'s error was to accept the authority of The Castle in the first place.

The foregoing observation contains good news: bureaucracy and authority require consent. And, if that consent is learned behavior, then it can also be unlearned.

Something within the human spirit seems to want to shake off destructive programming. Call it a survival instinct. Perhaps it is the inbred urge revealed by every two-year-old who yells 'no' over and over again for the simple joy of exercising veto over his own life.

Adults need to recapture the childlike joy and power of saying 'no.' The words most feared by those in authority are 'I won't.' Individuals with the habit of obedience may need to start by saying 'no' on small matters like refusing to fill in racial information on application forms. They may be shocked by how difficult it is to say 'I won't' even to petty demands. But the difficulty is a sign of how important it is. Only when a person is able to say 'no' can he say 'yes' and have the word mean more that the obedient response of a servant. 'Yes' is properly the affirmation of a free man.

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*http://www.scribd.com/doc/13621292/The-Castle-by-Franz-Kafka-translated-Mark-Harman
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