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PostSubject: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 7:30 pm

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What a mess this world has become....with these nutcases running around free!!
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Yes and when you cast aside all the propaganda that we are taught about government pretty much as soon as we started going to school and consider the risks of letting a massive organization take your money, which adds up to billions and trillions, only to see them turn around and label everything they spend your money on as "top secret" where you don't even know what it is being used for you would think that it would be obvious to everyone that this is very dangerous. It just goes to show how people do not apply their every day common sense to larger events and economics is a good example of this. It's pretty obvious how it is harmful to have massive personal debt yet when the government has $12 trillion worth of debt it's not a big issue because people feel like they can't understand the economy and they have been convinced that the rules are completely different when applied to a larger scale.
Very true. I think it's because somehow government has acquired an undeserved status: that they are trustworthy. The major media must have indoctrinated us with that idea while we weren't looking (or snuck it into some deodorant commercial , sheesh.) The healthiest thing that could possibly happen would be if Americans would start mistrusting their *feral* government.

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As far as Israel to put it simply they have a VERY evil government right now and I don't think it is all that complex once you get past all the lies and propaganda. They are trying to take over the region at the cost of human lives and suffering.
It isn't all that simple, either, For example, and for a to me reasonable question, why don't the Palestinians stop attacking Israel? How can they be called victims if they initiate destructive attacks upon Israeli cities? After that question I have another: If they DID stop their barrage of attacks, would Israel attack them, or would they be left alone, to live in peace? If Israel would Not attack them, then Israel obviously does Not want to take over the region.

Additionally, I think there is much more to this than it may appear. The entire conflict could very well be one of the Master Planners' ongoing OPS... a simulacrum, or staged conflict, call it what you will-but I somehow doubt that Israel could not have dispatched Hamas & their associates a long time ago IF they had wanted to. Their military superiority is too overwhelming for this not to be so. So, I ask: does either side really want this conflict to end, really?? Or are the leaders paid handsomely for the ongoing "war" -- with their innocent populations as mere 'collateral damage."
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 8:39 pm

The Palestinians don't stop attacking because they are under a military occupation 24/7. Even if the IDF didn't not initiate something violent on any given day they are still all over the Palestinian land guarding their roads and forcing them to go through military checkpoints just to travel on their own land basically lording over them. Palestinians die on a fairly regular basis because they are trying to get medical care and cannot get through the checkpoints in time. Then you have the bulldozed Palestinian neighborhoods with Israeli fortresses build on top of them complete with high walls and IDF guards. Even when there is a cease fire they have these horrible communities there to remind them that they are just subjects of the lowest class to the Israeli government. The Palestinians are so desperate it is common for them to attack the USA funded IDF with ROCKS, stop and think about the levels of anger combined with hopelessness that would drive someone to do something so insane. It never had anything to do with religion, religion was just a convenient propaganda point.

Israel does not want the violence to stop and probably has ties to Hamas simply because if true peace broke out they would instantly lose their excuse to have their military occupation and would lose the power to continue building settlements. Eventually it will reach the point where there are so many settlements and so many Palestinians have died off of fled the entire region that Israel will be able to say "well, the majority of the people in the area are Jews who want to be part of Israel so this land may as well be party of Israel". Then at that point they could even hold a vote to make it happen because there really would be more Israeli jews than Palestinians. They already have de facto ownership of the land due to their military force, they are just slowly working their way through a propaganda campaign/PR battle so that eventually they will be able to claim it as all part of Israel and have the rest of the world accept it.

I am sure there are Palestinian leaders (within Hamas or Hezbollah etc.) who are in bed with Israel and do not want the conflict to end but as far as the Palestinian people they have every reason to want it to end. Some people even think these groups were created by Israel. That doesn't mean they should be willing to to just give up fighting and be treated as animals by the IDF.

The Palestinians are really getting fucked because they had no real government and in the world's eyes it is government rights not individual rights that matter. It is just the strong preying on the weak.
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 6:34 pm

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It is just the strong preying on the weak.
We agree here. It seems it was "ever so" -sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 3:58 am

let's look at some of the barbaric/racist statements made by israeli leadership. something that NEVER gets reported in msm.

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* "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more
you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister
of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post
August 30, 2000.

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* "The Palestinians" would be crushed like
grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." "
Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New
York Times April 1, 1988.

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* "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs
will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches
in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence
Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

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* "We should prepare to go over to the offensive.
Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is
Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine.
We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the
Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb
and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion,
May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael
Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

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* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation,
land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee
of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

and that's just a few. a very very few of that which exist.
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 4:03 am

Welcome to the forum, Guerrero. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:30 am

Thanks incognito! i'm happy to be here.
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:47 am

Though I hate to admit it.
I think Israel already won.
They've already got spies and agents in Hamas and they created a civil war.
Now instead we see "14 Isrealli soldiers were killed" we see "24 Gaza police forces were killed".
But it is never too late.
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:50 am

Welcome also, Dragon fang! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SPLIT /The Israel-Palestinian conflict   Tue 25 Sep 2012, 10:49 am

Origin of Israel-Palestinian Conflict -Video


Contains info I've never heard before...Fascinating.
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