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PostSubject: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Thu 12 Nov 2009, 1:51 am

Zeitgeist – the greatest lie ever told
November 8th, 2007
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http://smashingtelly.com/2007/11/08/zeitgeist-the-greatest-lie-ever-told/

If you spend time poring through Google Video, as I do, you have to develop a filter for the endless sea of Religious, New Age or Conspiracy Theorist crap. Zeitgeist is the latest addition to this fecal tide, but I am linking to it because its an interesting example of a media phenomenon. A bad phenomenon but an interesting one.

There are a finite set of actors for conspiracy theory plots: Christians, Merovingians, the Illuminati, Freemasons, Jews, the Federal Reserve, and the most recent catastrophe that is closest to home (JFK assassination, 911 etc.). From the anti-semitic forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to Dan Brown’s the Da Vinci code, Alex Jones’ 911 rantings and now Zeitgeist. They are all part of the same genus – the Fucking Entertaining Big Lie (FEBL).

You can usually spot a FEBL film from the outset because they often use cheap graphic effects with bad rendering and metaphors. In Zeitgeist we have the earth surrounded by a pixelated metal cage. Zeitgeist comes in three parts and an Overture (and not much of a Coda). The Overture shows a series of powerful archive imagery of violent acts, historically relevant to an American audience. The images of violence are treated seriously, but they are basically entertainment.

Part 1. is a loosely plagiarized version of the God Who Wasn’t There, complete with much of the same archive footage. The premise is that Christianity is based upon previous religions. Fair enough, apart from the plagiarism. Part 2 and 3 show 911 and then talk about the Federal Reserve and how, you know, like everything is linked man. 911 seems to be used in the same way as the Overture – as violent pornography, a real life Die Hard, but under the guise of polemic. The argument about the Federal Reserve as a government conspiracy, begs the question – why would a conspiratorial public body setup a private central bank? In Zeitgeist, anti-Semitism has been replaced by jingoist libertarianism – somehow the idea of American income tax is un-American, and free trade within North America shows Lou Dobbs as a patriot fighting against dark forces, rather than an armchair racist.

Here is the problem, FEBL media usually means nothing and is patently false but incredibly seductive. It is the perfect scaffold to hang propaganda and acts like a bit-borne, pernicious narcotic. Although films like Zeitgeist are mildly entertaining, due to their unbelievable popularity (more than 5 Million people have watched it on YouTube), they must be taken seriously. I suspect they might actually be dangerous, and therefore, as someone who does not believe in censorship it is important to make fun of Zeitgeist as the tired piece of po-faced, visually illiterate, polemically challenged, pornographic bullshit that it is.

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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Thu 03 Jun 2010, 11:29 pm

Why do you post this nonsense?
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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Fri 04 Jun 2010, 1:31 am

I enjoyed the original post, thank you They Live.

The video was very hypnotic and disturbing. I jumped forward at intervals and did not watch it as a whole. Too much explosions and the music was irritating.

Tell me why you think it is nonsense, Inquirer.

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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Fri 04 Jun 2010, 2:39 am

I personally agree with the mythicist position. Acharya S. (D.M. Murdock) has done some great work in this respect. She has produced an ebook called "The REAL Zeitgeist Challenge" that debunks the debunkers of the mythicist position: http://stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist-challenge.pdf

She has also produced an excellent book called "Who Was Jesus: Fingerprints of the Christ": http://books.google.com/books?id=IROnfpqd3aoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Who+was+Jesus+fingerprints&ei=R50ITK2MOoSekgSpqZWECg&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

and "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus connection": http://books.google.com/books?id=Iaqe9CG_s6cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=christ+in+egypt&ei=CJ4ITLLhLpiQlAT9rOAd&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

There is also a thread detailing the supportive evidence of Zeiteist part. 1.: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997

I also recommend the book Anacalypsis by Godfrey Higgins (available online at archive.org and through Iserbyt's "American Deception" website)

I don't understand why you assume the 9/11 truth movement is "crazy" in the way the article portrays it. "Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup" is far superior though. AndWebster Tarpley, though he may be an idiot when it comes to his worship of FDR, still understands 9/11 very well. But my favorite 9/11 film is "Core of Corruption":



And why do you agree that people who attack the Fed. are wrong or anti-semites? Have you not read Eustace Mullins' "Secrets of the Federal Reserve"?


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The second video in the series (after this one), called "Zeitgeist Addendum", reveals the movement to be a COINTEL operation. But the first movie is pretty good. he full film is available here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#
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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Sun 18 Jul 2010, 2:57 pm

I thought zeitgeist was a pretty good film, except for the new age hooey at the end. Thanks for the last post inquirer, I think i have to read up on the correlation between Egyptology and Christianity.
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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Mon 19 Jul 2010, 6:18 pm

inquirer wrote:
I personally agree with the mythicist position. Acharya S. (D.M. Murdock) has done some great work in this respect. She has produced an ebook called "The REAL Zeitgeist Challenge" that debunks the debunkers of the mythicist position: http://stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist-challenge.pdf

She has also produced an excellent book called "Who Was Jesus: Fingerprints of the Christ": http://books.google.com/books?id=IROnfpqd3aoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Who was Jesus fingerprints&ei=R50ITK2MOoSekgSpqZWECg&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

and "Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus connection": http://books.google.com/books?id=Iaqe9CG_s6cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=christ in egypt&ei=CJ4ITLLhLpiQlAT9rOAd&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

There is also a thread detailing the supportive evidence of Zeiteist part. 1.: http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997

I also recommend the book Anacalypsis by Godfrey Higgins (available online at archive.org and through Iserbyt's "American Deception" website)

I don't understand why you assume the 9/11 truth movement is "crazy" in the way the article portrays it. "Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup" is far superior though. AndWebster Tarpley, though he may be an idiot when it comes to his worship of FDR, still understands 9/11 very well. But my favorite 9/11 film is "Core of Corruption":

And why do you agree that people who attack the Fed. are wrong or anti-semites? Have you not read Eustace Mullins' "Secrets of the Federal Reserve"?

The second video in the series (after this one), called "Zeitgeist Addendum", reveals the movement to be a COINTEL operation. But the first movie is pretty good. he full film is available here:
All of this material, Zeitgeist and the references that you cite, is all about vectoring and segmenting audiences. Zeitgeist's purpose was to cause division in the truth movement between Christians and atheists. 911, the event, was a trauma event, necessary to induce new programming into the public - just like the first scene in the movie Killing Room (referenced in this forum). Post-911 propaganda is again more about segmenting and vectoring into controllable subsets. The people who attack the FED are deliberately being herded into discreditable paddocks, like patriot crazies or anti-semites - it's all part of the vectoring that's going on. My take-away here is just to stay big-picture on this material, and make sure we understand how it is designed to manipulate us.

While I haven't read Acharya S, a quick search reveals that she's part of the globalist effort to destroy religion. Her participation in Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion is direct evidence that she is working to rationalize religion through science, which has been a common technique throughout history for gaining control over, and destroying, human institutions. See Century of Self documentary, as they describe how this was done in the 1970 in the UK across all aspects of gov't and private industry across the globe.

Here's some notes that I found in my own archive of notes, for further reading or viewing if interested.

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Disinfo Agents & Discrediting Christ
http://tinyurl.com/pnpeo9



This video speaks to the anti-religion propaganda we've seen heavily distributed across the Internet through such vehicles as the Zeitgeist documentary, The Secret video, etc.

This video is the first I've seen where it is demonstrated that religious teachings were stolen, then co-opted & corrupted. It argues that disregarding the core of religion is a mistake, for religion was deliberately co-opted & corrupted in order to set a trap for the dismissal of its core teachings.

The video continues by arguing that the teachings of Jesus weren't made up by those who stole them. It continues by claiming that the religious teachings introduced by these usurpers were counter-to and unlike anything Jesus would have taught.

Yes, religion was co-opted and cootied, but don't throw away the core of religion, for it was STOLEN to do just that - convince you to dismiss it. It is these subtleties that I believe most people don't see, as we have witnessed how so many are willing to throw-out all religious teaching, without understanding the differentiation between core religious teachings from Christ and those of its usurpers.
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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Wed 04 Aug 2010, 4:54 am

Recently, Peter Joseph, director of "Zeitgeist, The Movie", recently released a companion guide to his first film, backing up his claims with sources: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist,%20The%20Movie-%20Companion%20Guide%20PDF.pdf

I agree with about 98% of the content in his companion guide. I will probably agree with less of his companion guide for the second film.


Regarding your post, They live, you seem to be defending older forms of slavery because they were less scientific than the current forms. You do make good points though. But I think the arguments against Jesus existing, and the argument that (as Jan Irvin said in his interview with Eustace Mullins) Religion is an exoteric for the more esoteric sex magic cults, drug cults, astrotheology, and the other aspects of the mystery religion, is far superior to the Christian argument "proving" the existence of Jesus Christ.

If you don't like acharya's work, you might prefer Jan Irvin's video "The Pharmacratic Inquisition":

[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=825942553983229569&hl=en[/GVideo]
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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Tue 17 Aug 2010, 5:52 am

Zeitgeist is nothing but Propganda for the New World Order, anyone who is claiming they agree with Zietgeist will LOVE the NWO when it comes, all you are doing is agreeing with the Elites in control, if you support this Film and its conclusions then you support the Illuminati and the Luciferian Agenda.


I am gonna quote myself Ive talked extensively about the Flasehood and Propaganda Machine that Zeitgeist is on another forum, it may seem somewhat outta place but all the info is completely relevant here:

Daciple wrote:
IMO Jordan Maxwell is part of the Illuminati and whats nothing more than to have the New World Order with what He calls the Ascended Master which is really the Antichrist Rule it all, Forget this New Age piece of LintLicker...

If you have every watched Zeitgeist, they pull a ton of their ideals from him and Zeitgeist pretty much is propaganda film for The Venus Project. Here is their site so you can see what these people are really looking to do...

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

If you look at that in detail its all about the New World Order with One religion and No Currency. Here some quotes from this site it may sound pretty but remember the Illuminati want to have themselves control all the money and resources and dictate to us what we should have. This is dressed up pretty speaking Socialism...

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The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture.

We feel we cannot eliminate these problems within the framework of the present political and monetary establishment

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people.

There may not even be enough money available to pay for the required changes, but there are more than enough resources. This is why The Venus Project advocates the transition from a monetary-based society to the eventual realization of a resource-based global economy.(Cashless Society Anyone???)

As long as a social system uses money or barter, people and nations will seek to maintain the economic competitive edge or, if they cannot do so by means of commerce they will by military intervention.

It is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude( Socialism/Communism Anyone???)

The Venus Project is a veritable blue-print for the genesis of a new world civilization, (New World Order Anyone???) one that is based on human concern and environmental reclamation

This is in perfect accord with the spiritual aspects and ideals found in most religions throughout the world( One World Religion Anyone???)

Phase Two includes the production of a full-length feature film that will depict how a world embracing the proposals advanced by The Venus Project would work.( Read Zeitgeist and all the Anti-Christ Themes with in it)

the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are:

1. Realizing the declaration of the world's resources as being the common heritage of all people. (One World Order)

2. Transcending the artificial boundaries that currently and arbitrarily separate people.(One World Government)

3. Replacing money-based nationalistic economies with a resource-based world economy.(One World Currency)

4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control. (Depopulation)

5. Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability. (Gaia Worship)

8. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead. (One World Religion)

I think you can get the picture that whole project is a blueprint for an Illuminatis New World Order where only the Elite control all the Worlds Resources end Money so you have no freedom or power institute Depopulation and a New Religion focusing on Earth Worship.

Here is a good video where someone I believe is speaking the Truth William Cooper debunks Jordan Maxwell who thinks that Madame Blavatsky is correct as well as claiming he is very good friends with Manly P Hall. (Blavatsky is a Satanist and Hall is a High Ranking Freemason Google the names to learn more about them)

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=195



Here is a link to another Forum where the poster drops TONS of info some which I have here about the Truth of Maxwell and his Luciferian, Satanic and New World Order Agenda that He constantly pushes for, the man IS the Epitome of a DISINFORMATIONALIST!!!

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=29290.0



WATCH THIS ENTIRE MOVIE IT PWNS ZEITGEIST


ReCURe wrote:


Man, you Zeitgeisters are an ignorant bunch. As you haven't provided a single verifiable source for any one of those claims, I'll assume you're just propagating what you've soaked up from people pushing fringe theories.



If you were to bother watching the whole film before commenting you would see that they go over most ALL of Zeitgeist Sources and debunk them as well as go into Where They get THEIR SOURCES.

Here are some links that go over the "Christ Myth" if you'd like to actually study them,
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Here is a great look at the ridiculous claims of most of the authors on that list (how they get away with this stuff is beyond rational thought)
http://www.tektonics...copycathub.html
This is another that site handles the major deities and does so with tremendous references.
http://www.thedevine...milarities.html
I like the next site because no stone is left unturned in his search for more and more "Christ myths deities" to debunk, he has about 80 claims looked in to here:
http://kingdavid8.co...pycat/Home.html
Because this movie spent so much time claiming the similarities of hours and Jesus here is a specific debunking to show how clearly uninformed in mythology and how easily duped the makers of this film are in making this claim.
http://www.tektonics...opycat/osy.html
Now for Leedoms "Virishna" I wish there was more information to go on, but there is no such deity, at least in our earth's currently verifiable history. he apparently didn't bother with fact checking. Here is one account of the hunt for Virishna from an earlier source:
http://kingdavid8.co...usVirishna.html
from http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=98970



http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,2/Itemid,27/

Here is one that specifically deals with the Sources:

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-story-of-jesus (has about 20 links that each debunk the Sources)


There are literally 1000's of sites that refute thoroughly the Sources and claims made in Zeitgeist but hey if you still want to hold on the "fact" that Christianity is and was just Paganism repackaged and can prove this head to this site and win yourself some money Wink

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/



Also if you watch Zeitgeist is states that Religion is the method that is used to control people, then it immediately and venomously attacks Christ and Christianity. It is SILENT on Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Luciferianism and Satanism. Wonder why they ONLY attack Christ and Christianity and leave ALL OTHER Religions and Spiritual Beliefs out of the movie. It couldnt be because they have an Agenda no not at all couldnt be that, they are just tellin you the Truth about Christ... Rolling Eyes

Again if you bother to watch the entire movie of either Zeitgeist or the Debunking of, it concludes that the answers to the NWO and Religion ect is The Venus Project. It is literally a 2 hour long propaganda ad for The Venus Project.

I am sure most of the people who I mentioned in my above post who are reading and writing in here would probably be in agreement with The Venus Project and its answers ect, as you are also in agreement with its Idealistics about Christ and mixing Religions ect. Here is there Statement of Foundation as read on their site found here http://www.thevenusproject.com/ (Oh by the way Venus is specifically linked to Satan/Lucifer in the Ancient Mystery Religions)

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The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology, over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems.

As you will see, The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness, educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term, sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.

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The problem of money will have to be faced; the problem of the distribution of wealth - whether natural or human - will need careful handling and a compromise reached between those nations which possess unlimited resources and those who have few or none; the problem of the varying forms of national government must be faced with courage and insight; the restoration - psychological, spiritual and physical - of mankind must constitute a primary responsibility. The sense of security must be put on a firm basis - the basis of right relationship, and not the basis of force. Men must feel secure because they are seeking to develop international goodwill and can trust each other, and are not therefore dependent upon the strength of their armies and fleets.”

The 2nd quote seems like it would be fitting and proper to be part of The Venus Projects site and agenda, in fact Im pretty sure most of the peoples I mentioned in my last post would agree with this line of reasoning. The funny thing is, is that this isnt taken directly off that site, in fact its a quote from Alice Bailey in her book The Externalization of the Hierarchy. Alice Bailey also just so happened to found The Lucifer Trust now called Lucius Trust.

The Venus Project and thus Zeitgeist borrow heavily from Alice Bailey and her beliefs, but lets look at just a few so you can really see what Alice believes and what the True Agenda of Zeitgeist, The Venus Project and pretty much anyone that promotes the Christ is a Myth Idealistic.

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In her book, `The Secret Doctrine` Blavatsky wrote, "Lucifer represents life, thought, progress, civilisation, liberty, independence. Lucifer is the Logos, the Serpent, the Saviour" and "It is Lucifer who is the God of our planet and the only God", and she continues, "The celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time, for she is the ever loving beneficent deity, but in antiquity and reality, Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is the divine and terrestrial light, the Holy Ghost and Satan at one and the same time".
http://www.rense.com/general85/lucifer.htm

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"Emphasis
should be laid on the evolution of humanity," so says Master DK(This is the Ascended Master that Alice Channeled to write her book,Daciples note) through Bailey, "with particular attention to
its goal, perfection." (The Externalization of the Hierarchy p. 515) The objective is "the helping of the Great
Ones and the rendering to Them of that intelligent assistance which will make Their plans for humanity
materialize." (ibid. 516)

I can go on and on about Alice and whom she served which is obviously Satan/Lucifer. She is the one who pushed the New Age movement into modern Society and has pretty much coined the term "Ascended Masters" and tried to push "Christ Consciousness" ect.

If you were to step back and look at all of these links and study everything I go into about this with an open mind then you would be able to see that all of the principles and idealistics and answers presented in Zeitgeist are lifted from the Ancient Mystery Religions which are found in present day New Age, Freemason, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Roman Catholicism, Mormonism among others Religion and Philosophies. Every single one of those have ONE major underlying principle and that is denying Jesus in some fashion, whether its that He existed at all to He didnt die on the cross and wasnt the Son of God to He is one of many Ascended Masters just like Buddha ect or that we can all be Him.

Even if you refuse to see it every single other religion principle and spiritual philosophy tries to deny Christ because all of them are in some form a modern practice of The Ancient Mystery Religions.

Sure you can call me a Bible Thumper if you wish to try and discredit me and the things I present to these posts, but if you were to seriously go into researching these things with the mind set of, "Ok maybe their is only One True God and maybe He does want to separate Himself from other False Gods, and Maybe Christ did exist." Instead of "Christ cant exist there is no God or we all worship the same God and all paths lead to that Same God" then maybe you can see the logic of how all these other Religions are opposed to the Word of God and that maybe there is an Entity that is trying to mislead the world.

To each their own, but if you truly set your heart and mind to find God He will reveal Himself to you and lead you to the Truth!!!

Deut 4:29But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.









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PostSubject: Re: Zeitgeist – the "greatest" lie ever told   Sun 21 Aug 2011, 2:43 pm

You know, I've never bothered to watch this documentary. I appreciate those that have and have invested the time analyzing it. I guess I can only stomach so much of their "material"

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